In response to thread 71334 - injured and sick wild life

Submitted: Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:05
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Gidday

I come across this quite often, whereby folks want to do the right thing to save an animal.

However it needs to be addressed with a sense of reality. In remote areas, it’s a waste of time ringing a number and expecting a response.

In the case mentioned, the animal should have been put down there and then. Mange is a horrible disease, and the animal would have probably last no longer than a couple of months at best.

The only way to reduce the effects is to rip the hole or spray it, because the mite will only affect other animals.

On a few occasions I’ve been abused by tourists walking in circles wondering what to do with an injured animal on the road.

When I’ve put the thing out of its misery with a shot or a hammer, these people go ballistic, without sense or reason.

Damned if I can figure it out!

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Kim




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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:12

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:12
Kim, this is one of the most difficult things I find when I am travelling about, I hit a roo once and had to dong it to kill it as it had broken bones and was just struggling (poorly) on the road.

I may have put it out of its misery, but I sure wasn't out of mine. Its a very tough call.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:19

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:19
Hi Kim,
I do agree with you on most everything you've said.

As the author of the afore mentioned post I did go to lengths to outline that I didn't know what was wrong with the animal as I've never seen a wombat with mange.

The other problem is my transport, I was in a hire car and I'm blowed if I can find the Avis supplied .22 and hammer.

Mind, in my Troopy I wouldn't find the .22 either but I'm certainly not going to preach to you or others on the subject who are abiding by the relevant laws.

Hence my post, now I know what the animal has wrong with it AND I can pass the problem on to the best people to make the decision, either NPWS or WIRES.

The little bugger may catch a course of high velocity lead injections and I'm a realist enough to know this is often the best solution. At least it won't suffer any further.

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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:49

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 21:49
Gidday Geoff

I can understand your feelings, but there needs to be a bit of common sense applied to these situations.

God knows how many animals are skittled in the bush, and people need to recognise that a severely injured animal needs to put down.

It’s not something I enjoy, but that’s the way it is.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:16

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:16
Kim,
I'm actually agreeing with you mate, please read it again!

As I said, I didn't know what was wrong with the bugger so I asked rather than slap it around the head with a hammer or a .22 first! Neither of which are available to me in a hire car.

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Reply By: Flywest - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:35

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:35
Back in the day - when doing Wildlife work for the govt and in a remote locale with no local FAWNA volunteers to rescue injured wildlife - we would get many the urban tourist rock into the CALM (DEC) Office, to report they had struck a roo and it was thrashing in the bushes at the so and so kilometer peg on such and such road.

Fact.
Most road trauma roos are broken legged and thus unsaveable.

Fact
They are not as yet a threatened species - so hard to justify a vets bill maybe in the many $1000's to attempt a rescue on the dept budget

Fact
After assuring the urban terrorists (oop's tourists) that we would rush straight out to save it (in order to ausuage their guilty conscience for travelling too fast near dusk and hitting it in the first place) I would wait for them to depart on their trip - then book the Dept 12 gauge outta the departmental gun safe, pop it in the dept 4wd ute and go put the thing outta its misery in a quick humane way.

Fact.
IMHO - those who travel country roads at a speed sufficient to hit roos etc ought take on the personal responsibility that goes with driving like an idiot and do their own euthanasia, insteada landing the unpleasant job in someone esles lap be it the local vet or wildlife official.

Fact.
Only a month or so back RSPCA charged a couple youths with euthanasing a injured roo roadside with a hammer.

What a fricken screwed up nanny state fulla doo gooders we live in!

Just my 2c from past experience.

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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:29

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:29
Flywest,

While I agree with most of your post and would support your string of Facts I do have a problem with the second last.

What is a "speed sufficient to hit roos etc.........."? and "......driving like an idiot." Just because someone is unfortunate enough to hit an animal it does not mean they were driving like an idiot.

Many people who live in remote areas have no choice but to travel at night on country roads where the possibility of hitting an animal is very real. You don't have to be travelling at 200km/h to hit an animal. Most people I know who travel at night are not tourists either but residents of rural areas who are just trying to get home. They are aware of the dangers and take them into account when planning the trip. I know people who have hit roos in a built up area while travelling at the posted speed limit of 50km/h. Is that driving like an idiot?

I have hit half a dozen roos, all in a 5 year period while I was living in western NSW. Some of them I was travelling quickly and one I was doing about 40 - 60km/h. I would argue that I was not driving like an idiot on any of these occasions.

Of all the roos I hit I did not have to euthanaise any of them. The ones I hit at speed died outright. It was not my intention when I set off on the trip to kill animals it just happened and I did not enjoy it and on one occasion it cost me a lot of money to repair my vehicle. The animal I hit while travelling slowly may have been injured but I will never know. It was last seen travelling at high speed back into the bush away from the road. I suspect from the damage to my vehicle that it had minor injuries but as I said I never got the opportunity to find out.

I understand your frustration at people leaving you with the dirty job and the RSPCA should carefully consider their actions in the attempt to prevent cruelty but be careful who you condemn when you make such broad statements.

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Follow Up By: Flywest - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:27

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:27
[qote]but be careful who you condemn when you make such broad statements.[/quote]

"If the cap fits" as the saying goes!

Yeah - I do hear you loud n clear - but don't agree and stand by my earlier comments.

Last week my own son hit a roo - no damage except he broke a mount on his spotlight - where the roos head, smacked the light, didn't bust the glass even - but broke the securing bolt flange where it goes inside the llight mount.

His Roo bar is alloy & no damage, he was almost stationary by the time he hit the roo - because he was tarvelling almost slow enough at the outset. Roo ran across in front and from 80 - 85 k's at night he was on the anchors - waiting for it's Joey to follow suit (roos almost always run in two's or more) but this one suprised him and where it had run across, it musta turned round and ran BACK across in front of him, for a second time, where he clocked it.

Like I said - he was almost stationary, but not quite.

My summation?
He's an idiot!
Why?
coz 5 kays less and he'd a missed it!

If the son hadn't grown up 20 years in the bush - then I'd a said he was an inexperienced (idiot) in country driving, but the fact he's grown up a country kid and still hit it, makes him an idiot.

Next,

One of my female rangers - lovelly lass and very smart, called me out to euthaniase a roo she hit in her dept 4wd.

She's also an idiot (albeit a lovely one) - slower and she'd a missed it. She was in a hurry to get somewhere in time for a meeting - the roo paid with its life for her error. That makes her an idiot (in my book).

Me - well I've lived until recently, 30 odd years in the bush with roos, and never hit one.

Why?
Coz I'm not an idiot - luck doesn't hold out for 30 years!

In that time I've driven maybe 1 million or more km's on country roads including school bus runs day and night in WA's southwest lousy with roos - me n the roos were on a first names basis - I knew every one of them, we met so often.

Why havent I hit a roo?

Coz I drive at no more than 80 - 85 MAX in heavy forested areas prone to roos - a speed at whichI can slow enough to MISS a roo, by taking avasive maneouvers at the last minute, when I've already shed enough speed to do so with safety.

Anyone drives faster than that at night in roo country is an idiot by my definition after 30 years rooless experience.

Closest I came to hitting a roo?

2 roos ran into me when I was stationary - no damage.

Driving a ute with about 1 tonne of fresh cut jarrah firewood home one evening, very slowly becase of the excessive weight, I saw 2 roos on the road ahead. Applied the brakes and came to a halt in between the two roos, one looking in the RH drivers window and one looking in the passengers window.

Both being startled - instead of running off into the bush - they BOTH ran simultaneously into the side of the ute doors, from a standing start about a foot away - bounced off, picked themselves up off the road, shook themselves and then ran off into the bush unharrmed except for hurt pride.

No damage, it was an old HQ holden ute and they built door skins of thicker metal back then, that wasn't smelted from recycled sardine tins.

If I can manage a life time of not running into roos at 50 after living 30 years in the bush - why the heck can't others?.

If you can't - in my book that makes you an idiot.

Yeah - I'm a hard B to please as my lads both constantly lament - BUT, facts are - I let my actions speak for themselves, and expect others to measure up to my standards! Few do, and hence most of the rest of society to me are idiots, until proven otherwise.

I believe it is possible to drive around without killing our wildlife needlessly!

What do i take into consideration when night driving to avoid roos for so long so successfully?

Well - being a Wildlife Officer, things like water courses in summer, I always expect to see roos crossing a road from just before sundown thru the night - at the bottom of any dip in the road - they are after all nocturnal, and need water often (with exceptions to desert roos adapated to survivie without water for long periods, but when it's freely available they will take it often multiple times a day).

Next I also look at things like mans activities that might displace the roos - causing them to travel - (and hence cross roads) things like harvesting crops or bailing hay, ploughing for seeding etc all cause roos to travel and hence cross roads - I pay fricken attention to my surroundings and learn to think like a roo - not EVERYONE fits a roo bar and spotlights, hops in and sets the cruise control to the speed limit and then shuts the brain off while they follow the white line (or vehicle tail lights ahead of them).

Some of us actaully THINK while we drive, about our actual driving, not next weeks works program etc etc.

I laugh my azz off in traffic, women as a species are hard wired different to men - they are multi taskers used to feeding the baby and washing the dishes at the same time, and they are the collectors for the family, of food or clothes, etc - as hunter gatherers men are the hunters - women are the gatherers!

I defy a woman to stop in traffic at traffic lights and actually sit and watch the traffic & lights lest theres a prang they can avoid by actually driving forward or back when it occurs in front of them while stopped or to actually witness the lights change color!.

No - every time the car stops the woman MUST be doing something "useful" to her way of thinking, with that time - such as opening the parcell from the shops with the latest trinkett they have just bought!

They saw it in the shop before they bought it - they handled it in the shop when they bought it - but it CAN'T sit in its bag until they get home, to look at it again, they HAVE to open that bag and examine it again while stopped in traffic at the lights, to help justify it's purchase, and prevent wasting the time, while stopped at the lights.

The fact they SHOULD vbe watching the fricken traffic light and other traffic to know when it's there turn to go?....never dawns on them...

It's becase they are multi taskers and gatherers & to them that brief period when stopped at a traffic light, is time "wasted" - they do NOT consider watching the light waiting for it to change - to be a part of the act of driving, i.e. actually watching the damned traffic light, to be ready when it changes!

Thats why they suddently "wake up" as everyone else has moved off, and just get going in time to slip thru the change of lights, while having denied 3 vehicles behnd them the opportunity to do so, - because they were busy "multi tasking". (insert rolls eyes emoticon here).

Simply women either shouldn't have drivers licenses or should drive on roads separate to those which men drive on because they are wired differently to us guys!

Simply put, women drivers fall into a special "reserved category" of mine, below that of "idiot". Hey I'd be happy to be proved wrong nut I could take 100 phots a day stopped in traffioc to prove my point - its genetic in the X chromosome!

Anyway - As I said at the ourtset - "if the cap fits" etc!

Give the bloody roos a chance eh! It's not so hard if you think about it.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one I reckon!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Volvo driver - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 08:03

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 08:03
Flywest,
geez, your a hard man...
l've worked for more than 20 yrs in an area the RACV says is one of the four highest 'black spots' for roo hits in Vic, it's not a heavily forested area, has a bit of everything else though on all the roads in the greater district,

l've hit ~ around 100 roo's in that time..nearly all at night from speeds from very low speeds ( 15 k's, turning hard left, silly beast ran under the wheels in the dark ) to 100k's, last week l had close encounters with 7 more..l don't consider myself an idiot, though you'd no doubt disagree..the other blokes who have worked there the same amount of time have also hit just as many, they're not idiots either

These are nearly all on single lane back roads where there is little room to avoid hitting roo's safely..UNLESS you want to miss the roo and hit some massive gum tree 2ft off the road..80% are at night..we all can't dawdle along at 80 k's an hour

anywho gotta go..
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:35

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:35
Strangely enough ..... Ive had more night time roo strikes at 80-100 than I have at 100-120 ....

I've even hit one at 1kph .... as it refused to move until I gave it a bump .... was sick probably and maybe needed hitting at 100kph.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:34

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:34
Kim , when your knocking the animal on the head - do you explain to the people what your doing and why - or do you just go in like a serial killer and kill it with NO explanation ...

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Follow Up By: Member - Ian W (NSW) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:40

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 07:40
This iss "tongue in cheek", I hope.

Ian
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:01

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:01
Um , no ... its a genuine question as i have seen people just jump in and do what has been described to the horror of onlookers ( or uninformed)

THIS IS why i ask - i am all for putting an animal out of its misery - but sometimes a little subtly needs to be undertaken - ie telling people why -- and maybe asking them to step away when you do the deed ... if they then still continue to want to help the animal - assist to put the mangey/ bloody animal in there car - i am sure they will then change there minds

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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 19:38

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 19:38
Giday Boc

That’s a fair question, but not put to well.

If there’s women or kids around I usually explain to them why the animal has to be put down and suggest they look away.

I’ve come across some situations in remote areas were people want to rescue the animal, when it clearly has a broken back or other serious injuries.

The only option is to put it down. How that’s achieved will depend upon the tools available at the time.

All I’m attempting to explain is that an animal shouldn’t be left in pain. Any farmer will attest to that.

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Kim
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:47

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:47
Wading in and wielding a big hammer or socket bar does produce some negative reactions.

I have found that explaining the "need" is definitely something to be done - especially if any unnescessarily stopped, gawking onlookers happen to be ..... non locals.

Main reason I carried a firearm in the past was to have a quick humane method of dealing with seriously injured animals on the roadside as theres nothing worse than driving past some writhing creature in the table drain - struck by another vehicle .... Now I go through the ludicrous process of looking like a demented killer off a tarantino film - clubbing away like a baby harp seal hunter ..... gotta love how govt addresses situations without looking at the big picture.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:27

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:27
Hi Kim,
You may be interested to know I received a return call earlier from Parks Victoria.

They sent a ranger out to look at the wombat, the ranger confirmed severe mange.

A decision has been made to euthanaise the animal.

In my opinion that's a good outcome for both the sick wombat and the healthy one's in the area.

Geoff

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:14

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:14
That was a good outcome Geoff!!, only because of a sensible effort from you!.


Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:17

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:17
I dont think a wombat would be easy to euthanase short of a gun etc

i have a hatchet for such things but then we dont have wombats in WA Roos and emus are usually not hard
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53

Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:53
I don't think it would be an easy job either.

I'm sure the rangers have a "procedure" being a government department and all.

Geoff

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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:37

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 20:37
I agree with Axle, it was a good outcome. I just hope they sealed the hole.

Geoff, I wasn’t having a go at you. I thought your post was of value, and worthy of further discussion.

Regards

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:52

Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:52
Cool, thanks mate.

Geoff

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