Canning sand dunes

quick question that will only need 1-2 replies :)

How does the size of the Canning Stock Route dunes compare to the French Line?

Just want to get an appreciation of what's ahead for me.

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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 15:57

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 15:57
Same Same only different. Similar to the dunes at the western end of the Simpson. With one or two exceptions, the Canning dunes are smaller. The main difference is that the tracks are a lot more overgrown on the Canning and have nasty little left or right hooks on the lead-ups. Means it's very hard to maintain momentum. There are also a lot more "twin-topped" dunes on the canning. The track climbs at a point where two dunes meet meaning that you have to turn at the top and negotiate a bowl of sand before climbing the other dune end and then down. Should be posting a few snippets of video of the tracks in the next few days so that'll give you an idea as well.

Simpson (french Line) has a greater technical degree of difficulty than the Canning in my opinion.

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Reply By: Gossy - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:02

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:02
great, thanks for that.
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Reply By: KiwiAngler - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:17

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:17
I also think that you do a lot more driving parralell (in betwen) dunes on the CSR than you do in the Simpson where you are almost (except for a few places) coming at the dunes at 90'


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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:49

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:49
Yeah spot on Kiwi. The swales on the Canning are a lot bigger (wider) than the Simpson and you do a lot more in Parallel to the dunes than the constant up and down of the Simpson.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:55

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 16:55
The size and shape of the dunes are somewhat irrelevant in my view, you drive to the conditions and deal with whatever hand your dealt with.

Having just completed the CSR with one other vehicle both of us towing off road trailers we were constantly advised by south bound vehicles (We were Nth bound) that we would struggle with the "very large dunes further north" and would have all sorts of trouble and need to winch over etc.

Needless to say I'm still waiting for the very large dunes that were going to cause us so many difficulties, we had no problem with any area and never needed to back down for a second or third run up.

Tyre pressures and experience are both key to minimising any issues and making the trip easier.

If you have done the Simpson then you will have no difficulties with the CSR so long as you drop those tyre pressures.
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Reply By: Crackles - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:19

Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 21:19
The main difference between the dunes on the Simpson & those on the Canning is that your car may be up to 200 to 400 kg heavier with the additional fuel, water & food. Their size is almost irrelivant, it's the weight that makes them more difficult.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:08
You nailed it. This is why I am asking. Reading between the lines I am assuming tight bends up top (with heavy loads) means I need to replace my original cv's for aftermarket.
Probably also look at replacing the rear trailing arm for aftermarket also and air bags for the coils on the rear.

No mention of big dips, tough off road etc so don't need to bother about replacing sway bars (disconnects) etc.

My shockers are TJM with only 1 Simpson trip on them so they should be OK. Not convinced I need to carry spares for these yet as no-one has said anything about bad corrugations etc. The Tanami for the trip back to Adelaide is a well graded road now so that won't put the shockers under any stress so just need to survive the actual Canning track.

just wanted to know what underbody stuff I needed to look at.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:10

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:10
Gossy
No one said anything about bad corrugations because you didn't ask??

Its 2000 km of some of the crappiest corrugations you will ever see and getting worse year by year.
The dunes are like most that are subjected to lots of heavily loaded 4wd's with a majority maintaining tyre pressures that are way to high and have lots of huge gouges and scalloping.

During my trip I saw a Nissan Patrol that was replacing all 4 shocks at Well 30 as they were knackered
At Well 33 a Rodeo Ute was waiting for a new rear leaf as it snapped one.
A Hilux Ute that thought he could set the new land speed record between Wiluna and Halls Creek he was aiming for a 7 day trip had his battery cradle collapse and holed the battery.
He had no second battery and required a jump start by another traveller so he could limp back to Well 33 for a new battery.
He also broke something under neath as we passed him earlier under the car with a roll of fencing wire and would not accept any help when offered (To embarrassed)

My thoughts are you need spares and you need to make sure the vehicle is in top condition and as Crackles points out able to cope with the weight carried.

Take your time allow 3 weeks and prepare well for this trip as the CSR is a track that will find any area of your trip preparations that are lacking and break it.

Do a site search on here and read the Trip Notes section as well for more detail.

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Follow Up By: Gossy - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:23

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 13:23
thanks for that. Looking at going this time next year so already looking at what I need to do now so I can spread out the cost of any work.
From all the other trips we have done we are fairly well prepared. Just a matter of sorting out more spares than usual. Already have the capacity to carry the fuel, food and water for this trip. Just looking at the mechanical side of things.

Will definately have 6 brand new ST-C's for the trip (had a great experience with the last lot but will now be retired to become my city set). Only one puncture (ironically just a few weeks ago coming back from Innamincka) in all the years/trips we had them. No chipping (unlike the ST's before hand). Will also get my head around bush welding for piece of mind before I go also.

Thanks again for the feedback. I am definately not taking this trip lightly hence my questions. Don't want to be on the side of the track angry at myself for taking a trip like this for granted and not being 100% prepared.
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Follow Up By: Bagwon - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 18:29

Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 18:29
Chatted with a older fella out there last year,on his 4 th trip. Standerd Nisson patrol joked he might have to look at the shocks when he got home.The message' take your time. Have fun.

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