Cooper Sts feedback - worn out at 30k - must be me!
Submitted: Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 18:59
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Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ)
Well the 245/75/16 St Coopers I put on the Rodeo a 14 months ago have just turned over the 30k and are done, 2 totally and 2 I could go another 2k.
Had a good run with not punctures, threw a few chunks off the side treads when doing some rock work, but did not get the
miles out of them others have.
Might have to change the driving style somewhat maybe :-). Did have troubles with wheel alignment which made me swap the tyres on the rims and vehicle every 5k and I do drive the Gillies Range quite often.
New set I am trying the Maxxis MT-753 Bravo 245/75/16 - they seem to be an OK tyre. So will see how they go - cant get any less mileage? Maybe :-)
Cheers Tony
Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:04
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:04
No worries you just have to claim against Coopers world famous 80,000 Km warranty.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:20
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:20
John :-))))) I could see that one coming - I voided the warranty by taking them straight off road on Australia's longest shortcut.
Bit short of the expectations though Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:36
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:36
Sorry Tony I could not resist :-))
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 17:32
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 17:32
Tony, what are you supposed to drive Coopers tyres on, smooth concrete?? Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 16:04
Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 16:04
Michael - Yes if you want a Coopers mileage warranty :-) Cheers
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:39
Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 19:39
Tony , try BFG A/ts, 100,000ks no problems........around $330 each. Michael
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Reply By: Luke2 - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:58
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 19:58
i've had a good run with cooper STs. got 85K out of the first set with about half that on outback roads and I'm up to 30k on the second set and plenty left on them.
i always run them at 20% under recommended on bad roads and i've found this works for me.
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Reply By: gbc - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:08
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:08
Dunno if it will help you, but my colorado ate the oe dueler 693's in 23 000 k.m's.
Company vehicle so it was serviced by holden. Got new tyres from a different mob and the alignment was out +5mm and +3mm. No probs since.
Had our other two checked and they were the same - I'm thinking holden is running the wrong specs for colorado/rodeo.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:15
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:15
Yes I do have problems with the alignment - Holden could not fix it. When I had the tyres fitted the original alignment seemed to cause no issues. The same place said the first alignment was no good and did it again - Then I did have troubles?
It is a shim issue with the Snake Racing 3" Lift Kit. I will have redone when I fit the new tyres and see what they say. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:08
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:08
Gidday Tony
That really surprises me with the ST’s. I’ve got a few sets of tyres in the garage including the Coopers. They’ve been flogged in all sorts of terrain over 50’000 k’s and I’d estimated there’s still another 15,000K’s of hard work in them.
I’ve had my fair share of punctures but that would have happened to any other brand.
You might find it’s a mechanical problem, alignment or driving habit that’s reducing the life of the tyres.
I’ve currently got a set of Maxxis on at the moment for evaluation. Their good on Gibba and rock with no damage to the lugs. Only time will tell.
Regards
Kim
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:16
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:16
:-) a mechanical problem, alignment or driving habit - or all three at once :-) Cheers Tony
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Reply By: furph - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:09
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:09
Tony.
I dont think it is how you drive, but where you drive.
For the last 15 yrs. have done most of our off road (like, no road!) travel in the W. Qld. "breakaway" mesa country.
Jagged silcrete, hard as. Jumpups pulling a fuel trailer where a fair bit of wheelspin is inevitable.... it goes on.
The best I have had with any tyre set, differing brands, being around the 30k. mark, (some achieving less than 20k.
The ones on now ('97 LC trayback with a load and Polyair bags) are of the original Dunlop Roadgrippers brand which are just over the 30k. and about 5k. left in them. This seems quite remarkable as the originals did not make 30k.
Sometimes its a wee bit like fuel consumption claims, can forget to write down a couple of refuels and the figures turn magical!
furph
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:19
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:19
They have done a lot of rough offroad and the Gillies Range is not good on tyres, 20k of constant bends - Will try the Maxxis and see how long they last. The originals went 23k. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: BiG_ReD_80 - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:24
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:24
My cooper st's last 35,000k's before they fell apart. That was before I started seriously 4wding. Maxxis bighorns all the way
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:28
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 20:28
Tony & Julie
It's a fitting issue guys, I bet you had the white lettering inside, not out like it should be LOL HaHaHa.
Better luck with the next set, but the road surface does have a lot to do with it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:21
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:21
There has always got to be one :-). Your the one :-) Believe it or not they did ask me how I wanted the lettering when they fitted them - I said if the lettering is on the tyre I would like it on the rim and on the car as quick as you can :-)
Cheers Tony
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Reply By: howesy - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13
Said it before a thousand times, Buying coopers is like getting suckered in to buy snake oil.
They are double the price and you can get just as good a milage out of Kumho's and the like and their warranty isnt worth the paper its written on just do a search on all the forums on coopers and listen to the wealth of gripes over them and warranties. I went to a show and asked the rep if he would guarantee them for more milage than my Kumho's and he wouldnt. I had receipt from when fitted, at that stage they had 92000km when almost at the tread bar.
Probably get caned over this but its just an opinion please dont take it personal I'm sure some guys swear by em .
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:27
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 16:27
howesy - No we will not Cane you :-) Most would say your opinion is worth bottling :-)
Still do not know how people get these stated Kms out of tyres, 80k-100k. THATS 3 TIMES AS GOOD AS I GET? - This is actually my best mileage out of a set of tyres yet, work and play car.
So maybe Coopers were better?
Maybe the 80k plus mileage is that people have bad memories and it is actually 2 or 3 sets they have gone through :-)
Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Holden4th - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 19:37
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 19:37
Coopers - made in the US for US conditions. That says it all. They are seriously overpriced and don't really do the job here. What makes it worse is that the compound they use hardens up after time and they become a menace on wet slippery roads. Is that my opinion - hell no, just a summary of reviews for the tyre in Australia.
The sad thing is that people read the media hype (Ron Moon has a lot to answer for) and believe it. Yet here we have a
forum that has people who have actually experienced the tyres and can speak about it.
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Follow Up By: howesy - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 20:22
Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 20:22
If you manage to nurse your tyres and get 80+ K out of your tyres the rubber goes hard on them anyway no matter which brand.
When my Kumho's had over 80 i had to be careful and steer gingerly around sharp bends in wet. Constant tyre pressure adjustments, rotations and wheel alignment is the factors in longevity
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Follow Up By: jpfe8851 - Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:26
Friday, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:26
BULLDUST... Don't knock what you've never tried... You mostly only hear and remember bad news whether it's newspapers or TV or whinges! Far too few take the time to tell their good experiences.
I know Mooney personally and he stands by what he's said about Coopers and other products he's endorsed. He is very conscious of his reputation and does not receive payments for any products he supports.
Not everyone has a perfect run with anything. Tyres are like Ford v Holden or your favourite beer... everyones got an opinion. So I am not saying you have no right to an opinion, but make it one based on your experience not hearsay.
I've done over 1/2 million Kms on Coopers over 13 years with plenty of outback travel. Two punctures and average 70-90,000k per set depending on the pattern and work. My son's done the same.
Good luck with the Maxxis Tony. Be sure to let forumites know how they go too.
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Reply By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:16
Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:16
Had a set of Mitchelin A/Ts on my old 100 series Disco. Bought them second hand includind rims for $1000. They had done about 10,000 kays when I got them.
When number one son aquired the vehicle, they had clocked up just over 100,000 kays and that was over all terain. God knows how many kilometers they had done when they were finally replaced.
Ok,if you bought them new they were not cheap.
Tony
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Reply By: Member - Kevin R (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:09
Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:09
Hi Tony,I too live in FNQ and put St's on my new Prado. We have done 7500 klm trip to central oz via
plenty highway as
well as various off road trips around
Cairns. So far 30000klm all up . Tread looks like about 30,000 - 40000Klm left before replacement required . I get allignments every 10000k and no punctures so far.
Cheers
Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 16:02
Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 16:02
Kev - I had 4 alignments done in the 14 months the tyres were on. I am not sure they all know how to do it correctly. I swapped my tyres every 5k and if I noticed wear on the outer edge I flipped them on the rim.
So must be a combination of bad alignment, the Gillies range driven too often and me at the wheel :-0
Cheers Tony
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Reply By: kiwicol - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:40
Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:40
My Mate also has a rodeo and drives the gillies many times a week. He has tried many brands and doesnt get much more than yourself. That road is very hard on tyres no matter what brand. 260 corners in 15 ks has to take its toll. Col
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