GU Patol Auto hubs to Manual hubs

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 19:35
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Hi All,

I have a 3t boat and find it hard (near impossible) in 2wd high to pull from the water so I stick it in low and it has no worries, except, the last trip I heard a very load bang come from the drive train. Luckily I don't think there was any damage. What I want to do is put on free wheeling hubs in lieu of the Auto hubs provided as OE. Are these just a straight bolt on and if so what would I be expecting to pay and where can I get a set in the Bribane area.

Thanks in advance.

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Goona
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:17

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:17
Do they have free, auto and lock or just auto and lock? You could try Gold coast 4x4 they have been good for parts for me and seem cheaper than eveyone else. Try for a set off a GQ?. They should be able to tell you what will fit, if not the patrol forum guy will be able to help.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 21:50

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 21:50
Don't know Brisbane area , but manual hubs are widely available at about $200 each and bolt straight on.

That bang used to happen a bit on mine , and occurs as drivetrain is put under pressure, and may also be caused by worn hubs.

Just replaced mine with the autos I prefer from a wreckers at $300.

I prefer autos as petrol GU has plenty of torque , but in the meantime you can lessen the problem by ensuring that your tyres front/rear look about the same shape with the boat on , and also not steering but keeping the wheels in straight line when ever in low range.




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Reply By: Paul75 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:04

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:04
G'day Goona,

On my GUIII 3.0TD Patrol I converted the auto hubs to manual. Cost nothing as isn't that hard to do. I did this about 18 months ago and have done extensinve 4WDing with no problems.

Not sure if I can post links to other 4WD sites here so I'll send you a PM which has a description and some pictures on how to do it.

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Follow Up By: Paul75 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:05

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:05
Can't seem to PM you so if you want the link to where the info is send me your email address and I will email it through.
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Follow Up By: bob&loz - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:34

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:34
Same as Paul
Done mine 2 years ago and tow a 3T van off road using 4L a lot and no problems
cost nothing but 15min a side
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Follow Up By: Member - TonBon (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:29

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:29
Hi Paul, i would be interested in this as well. Would you be able to email me the info as well please. tbonnice@gmail.com Would much appreciate it, cheers.

Tony.
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Follow Up By: Goona - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:59

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:59
Hi Paul,

Sounds great. PM is todd.ind@hotmail.com

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Goona
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:46

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:46
Paul75, the reason you can't seem to send a PM (or "MM" = Member Message as it is called on this forum), is that you are "only" a visitor; whereas you have to be a paid-up Member in order to move up to the privelige level whereby you can send MM's.

I have fitted AVM manual locking hubs on my ST Patrol. They are a bit cheaper than the genuine Nissan hubs, but in my opinion they are tough enough for my needs. I have read on many occasions that the AVMs aren't as tough, but when I consider that I have a higher torque 6.5 Chev V8 diesel engine and 315/75 tyres, I think it must all come down to driver technique; me being a tame old bloke who no longer asks my 4x4 to do stooopid things....;-)

I changed over to manual hubs so i could use low range gearing on hard surfaces without actually needing the extra traction of the front drive train.

Works really well and the AVMs bolted straight on.......

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Paul75 - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:39

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:39
Thanks Roachie,

I was a member but my membership ran out while I was away with work. Best I go and sort it out.
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Reply By: KennyBWilson - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:18

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:18
The genuine manual hubs are better than the AVM brand
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:34

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:34
Everybody tells me this, but I've been using these current AVMs I have, on 2 Patrols now, and I've never had any issues (other than not having tightened up the small bolts sufficiently when installed them).

I currently own a GU Patrol with a pretty torquey 6.5 Chev V8 diesel, pushing largish tyres (315/75R16) and haven't had any issues with my AVMs. My front diff also has an ARB air locker and I'm running Marks Adaptors 43% reduction gears in my transfer case...... So, you'd imagine if the AVMs were as weak as everybody says, I would've broken them by now.

Having said that, I'm well past the days of driving to the limits of my machinery. I try to avoid known bog holes and if I'm driving up a rutted track, I try to pick the easiest line to avoid, where possible, the chance of lifting a wheel (and thus placing unnecessary strain on the drive train). I'm certainly not disputing (although I've seen no evidence), that if you were to bench test a AVM and a Nissan hub side by side, that the AVM may very well break at a lower amount of torque than the Nissan unit.

Having said that, it's been put to me that this might not necessarily be a bad thing. If you are pushing hard enough to get to the point where something is going to break, then if the hub doesn't, the next thing to break will be a CV joint. It'd be far easier to replace a broken free-wheeling hub than a CV joint. So, perhaps it's a better idea to have a slightly weaker hub (if it really is weaker in the first place...)

Roachie
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:50

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:50
You will get all the information herehttp://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:42

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 14:42
I did the same as Roachie, IE installed AVM hubs and so far after 5 years no problems. I did this so that I could back my caravan into tight spots Viz my carport using low range and a super slow pace.
My front diff also has a lockrite in it.
I used to have a handle on life, but it broke.

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Reply By: Brian (Montrose, Vic.) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 23:00

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 23:00
Ok after reading all this I'm a tad confused, we are about to pick up a GU IV which to my knowledge has the factory manual hubs, being the ones you need to get out and lock up with the wheel brace. Did Nissan change something in the later models or have I got it ar## about?
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 23:17

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 23:17
I think you will find the DX model has the manuel only hubs and the ST, TI models have auto/man hubs.
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Follow Up By: Goona - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 07:54

Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 07:54
Brian,

The ST have an Auto hub that can be 100% locked up with the wheel brace. What I am trying to acheive is not have it lock up at all so I can drive in low but the front wheels are not locked in thus not getting drive train wind up.

Hope this clears it up.

Goona
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Follow Up By: Brian (Montrose, Vic.) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 18:23

Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 18:23
Goona and Dave, thanks for that I'm only used to the auto freewheel hubs in my Triton so it didn't seem to make sense how they could be both.
One more question though, with the hubs locked in, all that is doing is ensuring that power gets to both front wheels but like an open rear diff, if only one side has traction the wheel with no traction will spin (hence the need for lockers etc)?
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:53

Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 20:53
Yes Brian thats right.
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