LED lights

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 19:44
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I want to put some led lights inside the camper. The thing is, is an led an led? What i mean is are there good and bad brands or are they all the same ???
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Dan
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Reply By: Flywest - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:02

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:02
Dunno- but I do know that if you hook em up, as distinct from normal globes where the electrickery can flow in either direction, with LED's it only seems to go one way go figure!

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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:03

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:03
LEDs are Light Emitting DIODES.
A property of any diode is that it allows only one way current flow.

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Reply By: Mark, Michelle & Abraham (NT) - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:13

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:13
Hi Dan

I was put onto this mob and bought four 1.5m strips, two for camper and two for annex on our camper trailer. They are 12v, plug into the camper battery and work like a charm. Would recommend them to anyone and the service from retailer is very prompt.
Usual disclaimer applies, no connection etc, just happy with the product and service.

LED Lights

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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:47

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 20:47
These guys hav them also but colored....Duo Yellow or White
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 21:42

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 21:42
Hi Dan

There are good and bad brands in LEDs as with most things.

I have designed many things with LEDs from lighting at melbournes new Southern Cross to lighted steps on trains , and most cusomers specify , or demand to see the specification sheets of the LEDs used up front.

Most companies don't actually buy LEDs they buy a little chip that you can see in the centre of them, the shape of this chip can assist with identifying he source.

They then package that chip by sticking it inside a package of various resins etc.

People have been lead to believe that they last forever , but poor brands die young many at less than 10,000 hours , and often won't outlast fluro tubes
without significant loss of light output and colour change (yellowing mostly) because of poor quality materials.

Heat is also a major accelerant of there performance loss.

Its hard for you to know what leds are used but when looking at LED torches you may note that some tell you the LED types and there light output in lumens , go for those.

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Follow Up By: warfer69 - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:07

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:07
Hiya Robin

Speaking of Lumins how well does the Primus light in your profile work ????
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:47

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 07:47
Hi Warfer

A very effective product , they use best LEDs and the claimed 300 lumens output is pretty good but they only achieve that with new batteries of low internal resistance type.

They still do not put out as much light as the common 11 watt folded fluros.

But it is there practicality that makes them so good.

The light is directed slightly upward so when put on a table they don't light up the surface that well , but are designed to have the top lid removed and be hung upside down and in this manner that light up a table really well.

Thought it was going to be a lazy night last night but got conned into helping swap out the rear axle/diff assembly of a falcon ute and placing the lantern on the ground , its light shone up and really assisted with the removal.

Then I decided to test my splicing of my plasma winch rope and hooked the winch up to a tree in the dark with this lantern used as a marker and again its sheer compact pick up and move usefulness made it a winner.

It uses 3 D cells and is not re-chargeable - might make some mods to mine if have time before next simpson trip in couple of weeks.




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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:47

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:47
Hi Robin

Thanks for the info. That was what i was after, something to look for when buying them. I'll keep an eye out for the output.

Cheers
Dan
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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:53

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 09:53
Robin

I suppose it's one thing to know to look for it but what sort of output do you think i would be after for the camper trailer? I'm assuming that lumens is the a measure just like watts in a household lightbulb where the higher the number the brighter the light? I don't want daylight just enough to be comfy...

Thanks again

Dan
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:01

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:01
Hi Dan

The more Lumens the more light, sort of like watts but not quite as watts is a power measurement and Lumens is the total light output.

In Leds 1 watt of good quality product is roughly 50-70 lumens

I find that the 100 lumens I have for the wagon section of my Patrol is sufficent to cook by and that the 300 lumens from the Primus is ok around a campsite, when hung upside as designed, but neither are sufficent for comfortable reading unless very close.

You may know that you can buy fluro tube replacements now in LEDs.

I am currently testing a newly developed 1/2 size 600mm fluro which only consumes 8w and outputs 700 Lumens, as much as the equivalent fluro in its main direction.

This is quite sufficent to read by.

Its similar to, but not this one ->

http://www.ledfx.com.au/UserFiles/File/LedFX%20FluroLED%201.pdf
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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:49

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:49
Hi Robin- Thanks for the feedback. Now i've really got something to go off. I'd say about the hundred lumens will do us to as i don't want to read just cook and not trip over kids toys in the dark LOL. Will be going into town tommorow and can now check it out. Thanks again for your help.

Dan
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:45

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:45
Hi Daniel, I have found that marine shops have the best selection of well made LED fittings if you want to see them actually working.

KK
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:50

Tuesday, Aug 18, 2009 at 22:50
LED efficiency has improved dramatically in recent years and for the same amount of money you could buy lights that vary in light output over a ten to one range, using the same current.

To compare light efficiency, I use one light pointed at a wall as reference and see how much brighter the other one is.

I find the Internet sites have much brighter lights than retail shops like Jaycar.
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Reply By: Kiwi100 - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:14

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:14
We spent a lot of money on LEDs to re-equip our caravan a couple of years ago. Almost all of them failed after very little time and we ended up back with the halogens. From what I've since read, it seems that a lot of LEDs are ill-equipped to cope with the higher voltage that is being produced when a battery charger is running.

I'm in the process of checking it out again and it sounds as if you should be looking for products with in-built resistors for protection against charging voltages, or wiring resistors into the supply cables, if you're going to run them while your battery charger is on.

Michael

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 08:13

Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 08:13
Michael, I always worry about that, but amazingly, I prefer LEDs now. Apart from two bedhead lights that will cost quite a bit to change over, ALL of ours are LED and yes it has a charger charging at 14.4 volts and above at times. The life of the LEDs has been great in the three years
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Follow Up By: Wok - Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 09:35

Thursday, Aug 20, 2009 at 09:35
Michael,

The failure[s] is the unfortunate consequence of cheap manufacturing. LEDs work best with constant current drivers as they are very sensitive to voltage changes...resistors alone don't provide this. Additional protection against spikes is also needed when the vehicle is running.Drivers are available to do this job...eg...LuxDrive.

Avoid units using 5mm LEDs as earlier posts have indicated.

I now build my own light-strips ......no more grey steaks & frustration :)

eng hoe
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Reply By: Moose - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:21

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 13:21
Dan - if you're Brisbane area based and you want honest advice and good service go and see Springers. They specialise in 12v stuff.
Cheers from the Moose
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Follow Up By: Member - Daniel M (QLD) - Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:43

Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 18:43
Thanks moose unfortunately ( or fortunately depending on your look at things) i'm up in the bundy area. Thanks for the tip though.
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Wednesday, Aug 19, 2009 at 16:15
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