LT rating on tyres?

Submitted: Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:08
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I understand the "light truck" rating in that they are suited to a heavy load and better wear in those circumstances but is there any sacrifice in going fo LTs? Otherwise most of us would have them wouldn't we?

Just priced bfg ATs $348
Bridgestone 694lt $278
Cooper ATR $265
Maxxis???? haven't priced

I do have a set of road tyres on my steelies but would like something a little more rugged on my other rims. Towing a caravan (hence the LT consideration) and mixed off road. Don't need muddies. I'm leaning toward the 694lts after seeing the reports in the archives and the price ain't bad either.

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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:17

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:17
For me, the only downside is a harsher ride in general - the tougher sidewalls transmit even the minor bumps up into the car. Passenger tyres are positively luxurious by comparison - but like many, I'm setup for those long outback gravel roads and just put up with the bumps when I'm home in the 'burbs. My pick has been BFG for many years now. One can reduce pressures to alleviate the issue, but that leads to premature wear.
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 13:41

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 13:41
er.... should have said we always reduce pressures (and speed) for gravel surfaces - a tactic that has been highly successful for quite some years - the only thing is that damaging heat build up in the tyres is possible due to the extra wall flexing at lower pressures (especially in those inland heat extremes), so I regularly get out and feel those walls.
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Reply By: Member - Gary J (NSW) - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:23

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:23
Steve,
I've got a set of 694LT's on the Navara. Very happy.
Not a mark on them after 9,000km to Cape York and back, including the Old Telegraph Track and Frenchmans track out of Chilli Beach.

cheers
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Reply By: vk1dx - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:28

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:28
What does it say in your car's handbook or on the tyre specification label on your door jam.

Go by what it says on the label and you will be fine. Besides if you do not follow those instructions you are putting any insurance you have at risk by not following the manufacturers instructions.

We currently use A/T Coopers but do not have enough experience with others to compare them with any other manufacturers. We definitely do not have any complaints at this stage.

Best of luck.

Phil
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Reply By: Rut Tearer - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:33

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 14:33
I went from Cooper ATR's to Pirelli Scorpion ATR's , wow what a difference, the Pirelli's are light years better . handling, grip, comfort on the Pirelli's are first class, both were LT rated. What was also surprising was I ended up paying less for the Pirelli's than the Coopers. I would highly recommend the Pirelli Scorpion ATR's to anyone wanting an 80-20 tyre.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 17:01

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 17:01
Downsides of "LT" construction:
- The thicker sidewalls don't dissipate heat as well as a thinner sidewall, so they will wear out a bit quicker than a "P" construction tyre
- The ride is a little harsher
- They don't bag out quite as well when running low pressures in sand.
- They usually have a bit more roilling resistance, so fuel consumption might be a touch more.

But these are all minor considerations. On balance you'll find most prefer the LT tyres for outback touring because they carry more weight and are less likely to die an early death.

I'm running 285/75R16 LT694 at the moment - they are a good AT tyre at a very good price.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:09

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:09
Phil,

do the stiffer sidewalls enable you to go lower with airing down to compensate - say 10psi in sand?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:21

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:21
Steve,
Stiffer sidewalls just mean you'll need to go lower on pressures to get through sand - eg you might need 15 psi when others need 18psi. I don't think its a real issue and the 694s are good in sand anyway.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:34

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 18:34
cheers Phil - sounds like a good un for what I want.

As I'm in no hurry, I might just wait until Kmart do their tyre/battery specials. Can't remember the reductions but if they're only 10% i'll get a good discount on x5.
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Reply By: Holden4th - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:40

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:40
694 LTs for $278 - who quoted you that? I've just bought the 694 ATs for the same price from Bridgy themselves.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:48

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:48
kmart - I'm surfing the www now as we speak and have found em at JAX for $259. Kmart said they'd beat the difference but can't remember by how much. I'll be onto em tomorrow.
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Reply By: Steve - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:51

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 19:51
aaaah - that wasn't the LTs. I'll chase them up tomorrow.
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Reply By: peter16 - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 20:45

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 20:45
Hi Steve,

I just left a response on post 71762 about my experience with the D694 - I bought them to replace the Grandtrecks on my Prado on advice from the forum and some of my own research.

Have just replaced them after about 84,000 K's. Cannot fault them for my kind of use: 70%bitumen, 30% gravel/paddocks/light off-road. Tow a horse float often.

I paid $275 each for the replacements - looks like others are getting better prices than this.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Steve - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 21:36

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 21:36
thanks Peter. Just read that. Another happy customer.

yours weren't the LTs were they?
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Follow Up By: peter16 - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 22:59

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 22:59
Hi Steve - no, they are not the LT's but the A/T. I had Yokohama LT's on a Pajero some years back and found them a bit harsh - given that most (70%) of my driving is on bitumen I find a softer tyre better and I cannot complain about the mileage I got. Happy hunting, Peter
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 22:38

Monday, Aug 24, 2009 at 22:38
Steve

When researching a similar issue a few months ago on this Forum, I was fortunate enough to receive a reply from a engineer with one of the tyre companies regarding LT tyres Vs passenger tyres.
He was replying to my query re minimum tyre pressures for extended off road use.
Despite what the engineer said, the Oodnadatta Pink Roadhouse strongly recommends lower tyre pressures for gibber conditions, albeit probably at lower speeds than someone would be travelling on bitumen.
In my Pajero I hardly noticed the difference in ride between LT and P construction, but perhaps I will pay for it with shorter spring and damper life, who knows? But I'm pleased with the LT tyres.

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The damage that can result from running tyres below minimum recommendation is mainly heat related. When the tyres flex or over deflect past design limits the excess flex/deflection causes excess friction and heat which can break down the rubber components– but also causes stress to internal construction (steel belts and body ply) which can in a worse case fracture and break. Over flexing and over deflection can also cause damage to the bead area through heat and excess movement.

In some cases people may be using pressures 20 – 25% above the minimum cold inflation pressure required to carry the specific load – this can sometimes cause confusion. Due to heavier construction LT tyres generate more heat than a “passenger construction” tyre. Hence, for a given load LT tyres require more inflation pressure than a “passenger construction” tyre. For example:


The LT265/65R17 116S requires a minimum cold inflation pressure of 36 Psi to support 820kg per tyre.

The “passenger construction” 265/65R17 112S requires a minimum cold inflation pressure of 24Psi to support 825kg per tyre. 24 Psi being the minimum for the “passenger construction” 265/65R17 112S.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:43

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:43
Interesting stuff Mark.

I suppose I've been entertaining the idea of LTs because of towing the caravan (19kg + loaded car) long distances mainly on the blacktop. We do a fair bit off road but it has to be said like most of us, it's only when time off from work permits ie some weekends and usually 3 longer trips per year. The off road stuff is usually quite mixed with sand, gravel/corrugations and occasionally rough stuf/rocky. The build up of heat in the LTs and lack of flex has got me thinking now - and I've just checked that $259 price - it is the passenger version. If I want the LTs they want $349 for em whereas kmart are quoting $278. Price isn't the main consideration and whichever one I go for I'm sure it will serve us well if reports on here are anythinbg to go by.

Decisions...decisions.....

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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:56

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:56
btw, can the LTs still be repaired with a plug whilst on the road? Wasn't sure the reamer would push through a steel belt
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 15:07

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 15:07
Steve,
Plugs can be used on the tread or sidewall of any tubeless tyre. I'm sure you know that the steel belt is only in the tread.
I find plugs in tread punctures don't always work. If the hole is small (eg tek screw), then you usually have to use the reamer a bit to make the hole big enough before you can push a plug in. But if its caused by a stone penetrating the tread, it is hard to get a plug or multiple plugs to seal. I end up patching them from the inside.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 15:12

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 15:12
Mark,
The tyre manufacturers will always err on the side of the higher pressures and the users will usually err on the side of lower pressures.

This is because punctures are the responsibility of the user and the user wants to minimise punctures.
But sidewall delamination can be a warranty claim against the manufacturer, and higher pressures minimise the chance of delamination.
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 21:03

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 21:03
Steve
Decision is complex, I have agonised in the past.

I don't know of anyone who does a bit of off road travel who has gone back to P from LT. However, I paid less than $10 more for my LTs over P.
I ran three sets of D694s P construction tyres at about 60 000km per set without any problems before going to LT version.
I suppose you have to ask yourself how much would you pay to NOT to have to change a tyre on the side of the road on the assumption a LT tyre saves you 1 puncture! A professional puncture repair is $25 alone.

I've also ran P construction Cooper and Yokohama. I won't get into the brand debate, I don't know if any of us mug consumers can properly assess tyre brands. I'm sure all the main brands are good tyres, it is confounded by something called price.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 22:12

Tuesday, Aug 25, 2009 at 22:12
I'll go down on Fri/Sat. but probably leaning towards the LT. I suppose I'd have to get used to em heating up and treat them a little different than a P tyre. They've quoted me $270 now. I've got 6 rims but might not bother with the 6th if I'm going with the LTs. Might not need it.

Then again..............decisions.
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