New V8 Cruiser Issue

They checked back through the prestarts and those involved got a big kick up the rear end. $15000 dollars worth of kicks.

How does one "tram track" and run off the road with a difference between front and rear track as you describe??

ctaplin
Do you mean that spacers will take 20,000km off the bearing life or the narrow track on the back and flicking from one side to the other will reduce the life of the bearings.
Skip

The rear wheel spacers place the offset of the rim 50mm outside from where the rim is intended to be bolted so has an effect on wheel bearing life and some insurance companies won't insure your vehicle if they are fitted.
So Skip, 20,000km of the life of the bearings and the possibility that you won't get an insurance payout if you have an accident and they find out they were fitted...
Chris

Got them at work ( troopy's and utes) and have had none of the issues that you have described above....they all run and behave just fine.
In fact they are really good workhorse and very reliable.

I've experienced this myself in my TDV8 trayback.

I was towing my van, reasonably slowly, on a gravel road when it tried to head into the bush.

I put it down to the van "pushing" the vehicle and its narrower rear track couldn't hold it.

Coincidentally, we pulled up for lunch off the road later that day and I had another trayback pull in to say hullo and asked me if I had experienced any fishtailing. It was too much of a coincidence. He put it down to the narrow rear track as well.

I have had spacers on the rear wheels but I gave up on them, not because they didn't do the job, but because I had to take them off whenever the service involved wheel bearings. I couldn't trust the dealer to torque them up correctly and they are impossible to check once the wheel goes back on.

Too much potential to play mind games with me while I'm driving.

ctaplin

Are you saying the police were intentionally making their vehicles unroadworthy by putting on wheel spacers??? How can they do that? Not unless they got engineers certs some how?

No, I'm not implying that the police have even fitted the wheel spacers, only that these vehicles have an problem that Toyota don't seem to be bothered with!

So i guess my original question is not answerable yet,,,,, i have only noticed one Cruiser which has had the spacers.....
As ctaplin said it has a dramatic effect on drivability in certain conditions.
Apparently wet muddy roads with a camber can be treacherous with this issue.
Dont even know how they got away with selling them this way?

Voxson

whats the track difference between front and rear of your 105? 5 mm?

Would not that do the same?

mine is 15 mm i cant say I've notice a problem

Kerb Weight (kg) 2312

Tare Mass (kg) 2167

Gross Combination Mass (kg) 6350

Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3300

Pay Load (kg) 988

Towing Braked (kg) 3500

Towing Not Braked (kg) 750

Wheel Base (mm) 2980

Length (mm) 5060

Width (mm) 1690

Height (mm) 2115

Track Front (mm) 1435

Track Rear (mm) 1420

Regards

Richard

NO.

Mine is 2.5mm a side.

Yours is 7.5mm a side.

The new Problem child is 52.5mm a side.

You do the math.

That one thing I can..

all deul wheel 4WD truck would have a greater difference them 50 MM

anyway 1515 - 1420 = 95 / 2 = 47.5 mm .. LOL

2009 Toyota Landcruiser GXL Troopcarrier VDJ78R

Kerb Weight (kg) 2335

Gross Combination Mass (kg) 6800

Gross Vehicle Mass (kg) 3300

Pay Load (kg) 965

Towing Braked (kg) 3500

Towing Not Braked (kg) 750

Wheel Base (mm) 2980

Length (mm) 5080

Width (mm) 1790

Height (mm) 2115

Track Front (mm) 1515

Track Rear (mm) 1420

Cheers

Richard

Vox wasn't the original question regarding rear diffs not tracks??

The track issue is a non issue, plenty of vehicles today have differing track widths and no issues.

Tens of Thousands of the V8's 76,78 & 79 series out there in mining and farming/agricultural use and no issues with track widths.
I would submit that if any problem was to occur it would have shown up pretty quickly with these operators.

As for the claimed Tram tracking, sounds like a crock of $hit.
No wheel ruts I have ever come across are so tight as cause the issues described let alone ruts inscribed by the front wheels whilst travelling being deep or hard enough to cause the the same issue.

Sorry John didn't really read FollowupID: 647697

Please forgive me...

:-)

Richard

Richard... I stand corrected.... Thank you.

John,
Might sound like a crock but is a real issue in the wrong circumstances...
It is going to be real issue when people start finding out why they are sliding off the road....
And the original question was rear diff problem yes,,,,, not being wide enough.

Richard your forgiven, for what I'm not sure but your forgiven anyway LOL :-))

Vox The wrong circumstances would have no doubt shown already in the areas I described and as posted by Redbakk above no issues.

I spoke in some detail with a number of owners on my recent 2 month trip through WA, NT and SA, ranging from 4w drivers like us plus the outback station guys and not a negative comment about the vehicle and no issues expressed over track width.
I have driven a couple also and noticed no difference in road handling between my 2006 TD6 and the V8 in regards to tracking or road holding, (granted not in a heavy 4wd situation as yet)
We have a few in our 4wd club also and they have performed in all circumstances very well with no reported issues either.

ctaplin
Well that opened a can of worms.
My V8 ute is now 2 years old and has done 55,000km. All of it off road in the Cooper Basin. I have had spacers in it since I got flicked around on some of the hard dry tracks up here. That was 45,000km ago. The police and the SA RTA have said that they are illegal on the road. I realize that they can be a problem if you have an accident and it is proved that they contribute to the cause, but by the same token, I feel that they have helped me avoid accidents in some of the driving conditions up here.
I intend to keep them in place.
Skip

I am from the city and shielded from the UFO sightings, strange flashing lights and Landcruisers mysteriously sliding off the road all by themselves.! The local Moonshein is pretty powerful stuff and if your not careful you'll do more than slide off the road, fortunately the Cruisers amazing technological poweress will get you back on the straight and narrow pretty soon..!

Skip,
I will agree with you about the handling, have had the same problem on some tracks and the cockies where I work also aren't to happy.

They are fine at work, on the surface and underground, it only occurs on some of the tracks if you could even call them that.

Also something else is showing up with rust in the doors where the window pillars join the door skin, none of the old cruisers had problems in this spot. Something has changed on the production line.

Have a good one

That's interesting, because you'd expect that the Prados would have a dramatically different track width than the 200 series 'Cruisers - if the problem is really caused by the difference in f/r track widths, wouldn't that mean that all the Prados would be dangerously 'tram tracking' in the 200 series Cruisers' wheel tracks?

I've you've ever driven a Suzuki over a rutted dried-mud road you'll now what I mean! :)

That they do!

I was following one of them the other day and noticed it.

The idea that there aren't many of them around was the conclusion I came to as nobody seems to be talking about them!

Geoff