VMS gps system Vs Hema Navigator

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Hi all,

Thinking of getting a new GPS system for rmy 4WD, for use in remote & arid Australia.

Currently have Magellan eXplorist , which is a fair unit but has a small screen. Have a new laptop, which won't recognise the eXplorist, despite it running Vantage Point at full functionality.

Have discounted the significantly cheaper Mio Digiwalker C520 due to poor reviews, mostly about maps & product support.

Sussing out Hema Navigator and the VMS Touring 500 GPS with Street + iTopo Nav. (part number 0103P-0012). Both are $ 990 at full rrp - so which should I get?

I would appreciate any comments on either system.

I would also like to know of experience/opinions on the suitability of the iTopo maps for 4wd tracks and very minor access roads.

- and yes I have read the archived files and searched.

Cheers
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 00:29

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 00:29
VMS gps system Vs Hema Navigator

Rick they are the same things, go to HEMA's web site and have a look around, they will tell you they are the same. the HEMA nav system is better as it can run Oziexplorer CE, so you can run yor own maps..

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:57

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:57
Hi Richard, not sure but have heard that the latest VMS systems can also run OziExplorerCE.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:16

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:16
Richard, they *used* to be the same but had a lovers tiff about 4-5 months ago and are now seperate products. The VMS is packaged with their branded version of Memory Map now.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:49

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:49
I have my VMS configured to be compatible with OziExplore...

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:36

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:36
Greg, my VMS runs Oziexplorer. You just choose what you want to run.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:27

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:27
I stand corrected ,, LOL

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Richard

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Reply By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:38

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 08:38
Hi Rick

I just went through the same process. Had a Magellan Explorist XL and was looking to upgrade the maps. Didn’t make sense and I wanted a reversing camera for the vehicle so I bought the VMS Tourer. It is now configured to operate the same as OziExplore.

However, it won’t output to your laptop on a moving map basis. I actually have another small GPS antenna I use if I want to input direct to the laptop for track logging etc. Notwithstanding you can download from the VMS unit.

Good luck with it.
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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:37

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:37
Hey Landy

I don't take a laptop when I tour, but I appreciate your situation.
I have thought of a PDA loaded with maps & to a GPS, but it does not seem so simple.

How do you use OziExplorer when touring?

Cheers

BTW I love your rig. I am set up GU Patrol) with standard body work but am awfully close to needing a trailer. I have priced a body conversion similar to your set-up ($ 17.5K), but am reluctant to do so as the chassis will be stressed, and there would be too much weight/overhang behind the rear wheels.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:20

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:20
Hi Rick

If I want to log tracks etc I will usually download directly onto the laptop using OziExplorer; however this is rare.

One of the appeals of the VMS unit is, as you have mentioned, it gives a reversing camera capability which is something that was long overdue on The Landy.

I had been looking around for something that gave GPS and reversing capability, not sure there are any others around....

Cheers and enjoy your travels.....
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:47

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:47
Just for interest sake- I have a Mio 520 rigged to operate as good as (if not better) than the Hema unit. Far more flexible and more applications- at about 25% of the Hema pricing !!



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Follow Up By: TF2 - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:22

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:22
What do you have to do with the MIO to run OZI on it??
Do you find the screen size to be big enough? I was considering the 5" by VMS.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 13:22

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 13:22
The Mio is the same size as the Hema... ie 4.3"
There is hepas of info on various GPS sites to 'unlock' the Mio and use apps such as OziExplorer

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Reply By: Member - Clay S (NSW) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:53

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:53
I went for a 7" High Definition 800*480 HK special loaded with OziCE and hema/topo maps - its excellent. The screen acerage is fantastic and excellent sirf3 gps receiver 8 sats even in town $298 for the gps $300 for Ozi and the maps saved $390 over Hema / VMS. Very pleased.
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Reply By: TF2 - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:01

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:01
I asked the question recently To VMS re Oziexplorer. Their response was the VMS will come std with Ozi from 1st Sept 09
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:19
And a much better alternative...
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 14:23

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 14:23
Hiya Landy..
"a much better alternative" to what??

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 15:26

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 15:26
To what it came with out of the box when I purchased it....it was in response to the reply above.

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Reply By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:30

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:30
Thanks so far, everybody.

I visited my fave retailer today & he told me that Hema & VMS did go their separate ways.

It appears that a set of 1:250,000 topo maps is a set of 1:250,000 topo maps. Hema maps are only sourced from that basic information and made to look nice. And they do look nice. I have a set on CD & use it for planning.

So, both units can/do carry the same loadable info/programs.

The positive for the VMS, as I see it, is a 5" screen (vs 4.3") and the ability to add a reversing camera. Seeing as I have no in-cab vision to the rear, (I have even removed the rear view mirror), a camera might be handy.

Both will run Ozi, but that is not a big appeal for me. I do not want to drive in the car through a laptop screen or similar.

I prefer to drive by the seat of my pants & dead reckoning. I am using a GPS to confirm locations, check speeds, occasionally as a compass, and to carry maps internally, rather than on rolls of paper topo maps.

What I want to do is to arrange way points & routes on the PC at home, transfer it to the GPS, and be able to easily see the screen when I need to refer to it for a POI, or track, or turn-off, etc.

It has worked for me so far. I do enough computer work in the real world, so when I escape to the arid lands, I want to leave all that "high tech" crap behind. I spend between 30 to 50 nights a year in the swag, and am pretty sorted. A GPS update is to make for easier visuals as I now depend on spectacles to see properly while driving & navigating. The eXplorist XL screen is just a bit too small for me, and a bit fiddly to scroll through & use while mobile.

Please feel free to tell me I have got some/all of this wrong, as I am open to ideas, & value the experience of all of you.

With thanks,
Rick

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Follow Up By: xxx - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:49

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 16:49
Rick

I use a 5" chinese GPS which cost $108. OziExplorer CE is loaded on an SD card with the Hema maps (including 1:250,000). It just gives a constant moving map display. Nothing too high tech about that. And it costs a lot less than the Hema/VMS units.
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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:23

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:23
xxx,

That is exactly the sort of tip I was hoping to get.

No, nothing high tech at all, agreed.

Was the Chinese unit hard to configure?

All I need is the brand name of the 5" GPS unit & I can probably do the rest in terms of loading the programs/cards.

Thanks heaps, & Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:41

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:41
Of course, you can always send your Chinese one back for warranty 3x? Just buy another then?
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Follow Up By: xxx - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:58

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 18:58
This is the one I bought. Chinese GPS It comes with a 4 GB SD card.

John R, where do you reckon VMS/Hema get their units from? What to do you imagine they pay for them.

It was very easy to set up. Just load the Hema maps onto the SD card. Load OziCE onto the same card. Then under navigation setup on the GPS, nominate Ozi on the SD card as the navigation programme.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 20:20

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 20:20
3x, I have seen the branding. They have to guarantee them, they will replace them and support them. If you buy one from China, you do that. Its simple.

Can they break down? I will answer that. Yes.Mine was replaced under warranty. VMS have been good in support that I have seen, not only that, they are researching here in Australia.
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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 20:51

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 20:51
XXX

(dodgy name - XXX used to be on the West End Beer bottle labels in days of yore, here in South Aus.)

I'm onto it. Job nearly done.

ta muchly

Rick
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:36

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:36
"Just load the Hema maps onto the SD card. Load OziCE onto the same card"

- did you have to spcify the screen size to OziE ?

- which version of OziE did you use ?

- I assume it's the 5" unit that has MP3, Video, Photo as well as AV input ?

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Follow Up By: blueriderwa - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:40

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 21:40
Rick i would be very interested to hear how you go with the chinese one and the configuration.

Also just wondering if anyone knows if all less expensive gps units can be unlocked for OziE or is it just the cheap chinese versions. cheers dave
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Follow Up By: The Lobster - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 22:20

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 22:20
Looks like this has created some interest. I've got a couple of questions for Rick and 3x also. What is the navigation software like that comes with the GPS unit? Is it worth putting something else on, or does it do the job sufficiently?

So I'm working out what the total cost would be to set up one of these bad boys:
GPS ~ $120
OziExplorerCE - $40
NATMAP 2008 + additional maps ~ $124

Total: $284!

Not too bad at all. So is that really all there is to it? Sounds a bit too good to be true.

The GPS has a 6 month warranty, but even if you had to pay to replace it a couple of times, you're still way ahead...

interesting.

matt
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Follow Up By: xxx - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 22:46

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 22:46
Matt, I haven't even looked at the Nav software that came with the GPS.

Mike, you don't need to specify screen size. The ports on the side are TMC, headphone, SD card slot, USB. The installed software includes games, calculator, note pad,media player. It has Bluetooth and FM transmitter.

I was able to install my vehicle logo in place of the supplied startup screen.

I've installed OziCE on a Mio Moov, the 5" GPS, and a 7" chinese unit.

If I can do it, anyone can.
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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 23:02

Wednesday, Aug 26, 2009 at 23:02
Lobster,

I see the pricing a bit differently:

Chinese GPS ~ $ 120
(eBay says that when ordered, maps for that country will be
loaded on the SD card)
Freight ex Hong Kong $ 20

OziExplorer bundle of:

OziExplorer
Hema 4WD Raster maps on DVD OziCE
Additional 250 k Raster maps from Ozi for whole of continent $ 295

OziCE $ 40
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TOTAL 475

Cheers

Rick
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Follow Up By: xxx - Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 at 07:30

Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 at 07:30
Rick

The 250k maps are included on the $179 Hema DVD.

And even if you bought them separately the cost of the Natmap DVD is $99.

The cost as I see it is:

$108 for GPS
$179 for Hema maps
$40 for OziCE

$327 total
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Follow Up By: The Lobster - Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 at 21:54

Thursday, Aug 27, 2009 at 21:54
Yeah, I guess it depends on that maps the you buy for it. Are the Hema maps any better/different to the Natmaps?

matt
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Reply By: ChrisK - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 13:57

Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 13:57
You guys are talking about a chines one from ebay. Can you save me some time searching and give me a brand or reseller name to narrow it down. I too have been looking at the HEMA & VMS units thinking that they are the best out there. Clearly ther are many ohter options available.

Cheers,
ChrisK
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