Snake Racing 3" Lift issues - Wheel Alignment on the Shed Floor - Is it possible

Submitted: Friday, Aug 28, 2009 at 18:49
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A question with many variables I know - Two wheel alignment places have told me they can not do my alignment, seems the Snake Racing 3" Lift for the Rodeo has a lot to be desired, like a decent design.

The new top control arm is too offset and pushes the wheel out at the top quite a ways. I had to shim it up at least 12mm Each side (yes 1/2 Inch).

Back in the 70s we the young hoons with modified suspension would do our alignments on the shed floor with a builders square and a tape measure. With the new cars these days is that possible? I think it may be Camber that is not easily measured, but I always get that mixed up with Caster. Toe in and Toe out is an Easy one.

Anyways gave it the first go and I seem to have it looking pretty close, done a couple of trips down the gillies and tyre wear has almost completely diminished.

Any Ideas from others?

I will try to cover the obvious answers :-)- I will take it back and get it checked out now I have made it adjustable, something the aligners did not want to do. No it is not engineered yet!

To the Heck with that, just give it to me straight :-) Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Friday, Aug 28, 2009 at 21:38

Friday, Aug 28, 2009 at 21:38
Tony, probably you should have taken it back to Snake racing.. ask them why doesnt their parts work, put it back on to them.. if they cant get it to work within normal parameters, they should happily refund your hard earned. I think most of us are too easy on the suppliers or manufacturers, it either works or it doesn't.. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:22

Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:22
Michael - I am a few thousand Ks from them :-). I got the kit posted up. The kit was on for quite some time before the problem became obvious.

Its not an easy kit to return, you have to replace the original top Control Arm with the kit part.

Think I may have it sorted now, can not see any more signs of wear. Was just hopeing someone else may have done a home wheel alignment job and had some more tips. Cheers Tony

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 16:29

Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 16:29
Tony i understand your problem but you would think the local people that have the same kit fitted by Snake racing would have the same problem.. I wonder if you actually have the correct for that model!! Michael
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Reply By: Flywest - Friday, Aug 28, 2009 at 21:43

Friday, Aug 28, 2009 at 21:43
Yep a how long is a piece of string question.

To my mind it depends on your wheel aligner and his level of experience.

I know a guy who's pretty good. So good he doesn't have to align wheels any more. Now hes a tyre wholesaler.

In his day he would do 25 wheel alignments a day on average (137 wheel alignments a week for a 5/12 day week. Owner charged customers $35 / alignment.

I.e the aligner earned the business owner on average, grossing $4795 a week for the owner. Wages for the aligner?..yeah - less than $1000 a week.

50 K a year for making the owner 200 K a year!

Sound like a good deal to you?

Why do you think good wheel aligners get out of it - before they get too old to be able to do 25 alignments a day.

Doing 137 wheel alignments a week allows the owner to SELL maybe 137 sets of tyres a week, - that's a lot of tyres turnover and a lot of profits on top of the almost 3K a week the wheel aligner brings in.

So - when you go to the tyre shop for the aligner to look at your modded setup - there's very little incentive for the guy to spend a lot of time trying to engineer a fix for a poor designed lift kit.

Every 20 minutes spent on your vehicle, after the first 20 minis - is another car and another $35 the wheel aligner isn;t making for the owner and lets face it your nopt there to buy tyres.

Tyre shops only keep wheel aligners on the books so they can sell more tyres. (most people won't buy tyres if they can't have them wheel aligned at the time).

Most tyre shops are lucky if they get an aligner who can do 10 vehicles a day - most keep 2 or even 3 aligners working at the same time, in order to get thru the number of tyres they can sell/day because the guys who CAN do 25 a day are rare and hard to find.

In order to do so - you need to know the short cuts and tricks of the trade to get the work out the door and the next one in the door.

You need one of THOSE types of guys - who can take one look and come up with a easy solution for your alignment problem, someone with experience who can spot the problem from experience and already knows "the fix" because he's come across it before.

They are hard to find.

Good luck with it - you likely won't find the experienced type of wheel aligner down at the local discount tyre shop - who pays the lowest wages and goes thru 6 tyre fitters or more a year, coz they are too tight fisted to pay a decent wage to the guys who CAN actually do the job quickly enough to be profitable.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:35

Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:35
Ta Flywest - I did buy 6 x Maxis Bravo LT Tyres off him for $1680 - an I was going to pay for the alignment - I said take as long as it takes I need it fixed.

Still did not have a go. It was out a long way and to be fair they did not want to modify it to make it right.

So I fixed that probelm (Longer HT Bolts) and up to date I seem to have a win, only time and a lot more Ks will show for sure.

I was able to do the toe in and out and the Camber by shimming (I think) but I do not no how to gauge & measure the Castor. I got around this by only shimming the bolts the same each side, thus not altering the castor.

A old mechanic from my fathers Service Staion showed me how to do it many years ago, so who knows may work, never had trouble with the old holdens :-). Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Stu & "Bob" - Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 08:09

Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 08:09
Try Pedders Suspension in Cairns, they do a lot of work on modified 4wd suspension.

They did a great job on my HZJ105.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:37

Saturday, Aug 29, 2009 at 13:37
Ta Stu & Bob. It was tyrepower in Cairns who did do it twice, 1st time not too bad, second time they made it worse.

I will give Pedders a go if I can get to Cairns for a day. Cheers Tony
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