Solar Cells & elevation from horizontal

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:05
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There must be a perfect elevation for these arays. Can anyone help with a ste that would help.
I guess it will depend on your latitude.
Vince
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:18

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:18
Your on the ball there Vince. In thoery, should face North with and angle of the latitude.
Of course this varies over Summer/Winter

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Follow Up By: Batboy - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37
That works for fixed arrays but otherwise follow the sun
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Reply By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:24

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:24
Hi Vince

Not being smart but when I first bought my solar panel I asked the chap at the shop for the ideal degree/angle to make a frame to set my panels up his answer was " Ideally the panel must face the sun".
I felt pretty silly cause it made sense, I now move my panels twice a day if I am at Camp at night I will set it up for the morning sun East then around lunch I will face it towards the West or If we are away from early morn til late face it North.
Works for me

Cheers Michael
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:43

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:43
I'm OK with the direction Michael, just wanted to check at what angle from the vertical I should set up.

Years ago there was an academic from the Uni of New England in Northern NSW who built his house to take advantage of the winter sun. Used a book from Canada and could not work out why the sun did not come in via ALL the windows he put on the south side of the house
Vince
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Follow Up By: Member - michael H (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 13:04

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 13:04
He He
Thats funny Vince sad but funny

Sorry can't help you with the correct angle
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 12:37
Use a solar calculator.
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Cheers Craig................
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Reply By: piddlefimp - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 15:35

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 15:35
Yes they need to face north, but I read some where, "and don't quote me" Collyn Rivers wrote he was surprised how well the performed fitted flat on top of a van.

Might be because they are closer to the sun, :) he eh.

piddlefimp
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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:26

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:26
It really is fairly simple to stand them at the correct angle when they are free standing.
IE... propped up on a frame or leg on the Ground, or large flat surface.

Just make sure when you face the panel towards the sun that the shadow that the panel casts behind is the same size as the panel. This ensures that you have the panel facing the sun directly.
No need for complicated equations etc.
Then a simple move a couple of times a day will do the job.
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Reply By: Member - Barnray (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:34

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:34
I have been told that 22deg from vertical is the best, I also use a sun tracker which keeps the amps at max all day. Barnray
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:45

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 17:45
depends where you are relevant to the Equator...
~15° less than direct to the sun works well in most of Australia.

The panel can very easily be adjusted if you use a Solar regulator that has a LCD display and is capable of showing the Amps produced and/or the Amps going into the battery system.

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 22:51

Tuesday, Sep 01, 2009 at 22:51
There are three answers depending on the setup and purpose:
1. Fixed set up with batteries eg on a farm - north-facing at about 20 degrees less than latitude angle (in the southern states at least) so that the length of time that the sun shines on the panels is maximised but the output is less peaky and therefore doesn't strain the electronics (allows lower-rated regulators etc);
2. Fixed grid connected set up without batteries eg house roof - north-facing at latitude angle to get the maximum amount of electricity exported during peak sun in order to maximise financial returns from feed-in tariffs; and
3. Portable system - adjust the angle and rotation of the panel to always be at 90 degrees to the sun ie direct radiation. As suggested above, the easiest way is to adjust it to have a square, short shadow.

The difference between getting it right and being even a bit off is very significant in terms of output. Unfortunately, adjusting the panel at camp can become an obsession :)

Hope that's clear.

Adrian
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Follow Up By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 13:23

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 13:23
Good advice Adrian,

And obsessed with panel angles - that was me.

Then I shelled out for an extra 80W and I can get enough power with them laying flat on the ground.

Pete
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Follow Up By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 13:54

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 13:54
Pete,

I created my own challenge - a 13W suitcase style arrangement! On a clear day it produces far more electricity than we use up during the day & night as the battery only runs lights and ipod/phone chargers. The fridge (39L Autofridge) stays in the car and runs off the second battery. This lasts around 3 days which tends to be as long as the car is idle. I'm constantly tempted by larger panels but can't really justify the cost. If we didn't already have a 3-way fridge for our longer camps then I would probably succumb to the temptation.

Adrian
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Follow Up By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:29

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:29
We sold out 3 way last weekend having not used it since we got the Waeco 3 years ago. We now have a 160W folding monocrystaline panel that is more than we need for all our electrical needs.

Pete
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Follow Up By: Vince NSW - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 08:58

Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 08:58
Thanks Adrian, just the information I needed.
Regards
Vince
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Reply By: Grungle229 - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 07:20

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 07:20
For my portable panels, I tape a skewer to the corner at right angle to the panel surface and both side and adjust the panel so the skewer casts no shadow. That way the panel is perpendicular to the sun and performs at optimum effeciency.

We just mucked around with the in laws panel on the weekend before fixing to the top of his van and with the above method managed 5.2A from a 80W panel. Once fixed to the top of the van though we could only get 4.1A max when the sun was directly overhead and slightly North.

Cheers
David
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:57

Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:57
It isn't worth sweating about too much. Even if you are 30 degrees out you only loose about 15%, 45 degrees out you lose 30%.

At 5 to 10 degrees out you lose about 2 - 4 %. As stated earlier use the smallest shadow.
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