LPG Gas Regulation
Submitted: Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 14:05
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k15s
Hoping someone can advise me on the current regulations for LPG cookers in a camper. I'm trying to get our certified for a sale, but have been told there was a law introduced in 2005 stating all cookers had to be disconnected prior to the kitchen on the tailgate being able to swing back in. Ours in permanently connected and even though you can switch off bottle, there is a regulator, and an on/off valve and the cooker is designed with a safety shut off if the flame gets too low, every gas guy I speak to will not certify it unless we re-rout the plumbing and do some major changes. Our camper isn't even 3 years old and the manufacturer says they still sell them the same as ours is - their gas guy certifies there new ones. Since we now live a 7 hr drive from the manufacturer and the sale is supposed to happen in a week what can I do???????
Reply By: mazcan barry - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 18:48
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 18:48
hi
can you tell me what brand of camper trailer it is as this is the first time i have heard of this regulation cheers mazcan barry
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Reply By: k15s - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:04
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:04
I've done a little more investigation and it seems it isn't the manufacturer's problem - so I won't release the name since I can't fault them on either their manufacture or their customer service over the past 3 years.
It seems the local gov guy who looks after regulations here has interpreted the 2005 law different than anyone else in the country - lucky us huh!?! He has then enforced his view on all the gas regulators here in this town and for us to get our camper certified for sale we'd need to do big changes which would involve changes to both the gas plumbing and trailer body - both of which are expensive, and un-necessary, not to mention drilling or mounting further on the camper body could lead to rust, corrosion etc if not done properly.
My next path is to try in other towns - next closest is 1.5hrs drive or 3 hrs drive. If this gov guy has ruling over them, then they're not likely to certify either but will cross that bridge when we come to it. Have spoken to gas guys in closest major city (7.5hrs drive) and they said they'd certify it but need to see it in person so unless we're willing to do the drive they can't help.
So all in all looks like camper was manufactured fine and they still manufacture them the same way, we've never had dramas with any aspect of either LPG or cooker or camper and it's all come down to our local gov guy who has actually approached the manufacturer at our local
camping show and told them he'd make it hard to get camper certified here so our manufacturer won't even show them here anymore. Joy!
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:52
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:52
hi joy
i dont want the name to slander them i just wanted to know so i dont finish up in the same situation as i'm debating which camper i'm going to buy in the near future
surely this gov guy that's interpreting the rules in a totally different way and viewpiont to every one else in the system needs to be taken to task and corrected or booted out of his job as he's only causing undurely hardship to all those areas you made mention of with his pragmatic self centered opinions
give some people authority and they become Ah's
i will be keen to hear how it all pans out
as this is beaurocratic redtape and bungling at it's best
i wonder if a commercial lawyer or the state ombudsman can give you a ruling on this or some other advisory/regulatory body
good luck mazcan barry
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 22:29
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 22:29
Perhaps you can ask the local gov guy if he can point to the regulation so you can read it yourself. If he can't then he should go ahead and certify the installation.
KK
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Reply By: Member - John - Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 06:05
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 06:05
G'day, surely the manufacturer can send you a cetificate of compliance or what ever, if you can convince them that the system hasn't been changed. Just a thought. John
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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:30
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 10:30
Why do you need to have it 'certified' before selling it ?? First time I've ever heard of anything so silly. Which 'state' are you in?? Do you also have to get your car cetified before selling, your home, your boat etc ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 11:40
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 11:40
In the "Smart State"that starts with Q you have to obtain a roadworthy cert when you sell any vehicle.
I have just traded a caravan registered in Qld and sold in WA.
Had I sold it with the plates on I would have had to have the above.
How do I get it. Drive it back home to get it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
How did I get around it.
Well in WA you can transfer certain vehicles into WA registration without an inspection.
So went and got the paperwork and stumped up $85 for 6 months rego and away we went.
Had I just removed the plates I could have sold it unreg but the dealer then
would have to had it inspected and maybe found some small detail that
would have had to be rectified.
As it is its legal now and all is good.
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Reply By: tonysmc - Saturday, Sep 05, 2009 at 09:59
Saturday, Sep 05, 2009 at 09:59
k15s,
As this is not a new installation doesn’t it already have a gas fitters certificate attached to the van?
I would like to see a copy of the regulations this guy is claiming to be abiding to. Surely he cannot be suggesting that the general public disconnect/connect a gas line each time they set up and pack up. A gas line in a van or boat should be one continuous line from the gas cylinder to the appliance. It should be able to be disconnected at the appliance (for servicing), however this no way suggests that it should be disconnected. If it needs maintenance or disconnection it should only be done by a licensed gas fitter. The only place an unlicenced person should disconnect a gas line is the POL connection at the gas cylinder/bottle. (I know people do it, however it shouldn’t be done)
If he is a certifier it should be no problem for him to give you a copy of the regulation in regards to your gas line. If he won’t provide it or if you still believe he is wrong I would report him to the appropriate state authority.
Best of luck
Tony
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Reply By: k15s - Saturday, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:12
Saturday, Sep 05, 2009 at 10:12
Well looks like it's going to be a gov battle now and hopefully it'll all be sorted early next week (here's praying!) so we can sell as scheduled next weekend. Looks like the certifiers in the town of the manufacturer believe it's legal but the certifiers here believe it's not. We thought about doing the 7 hr drive this weekend just to get it sorted! So the gov examiner guy is going to the manufacturer on Mon/Tues and will decided yay or nay. He will then either instruct our local examiner to issue the certificate because it's legal, or he's decide it's not legal and the manufacturer will have to re-call all campers made with this type of kitchen since 2005. I know which one I'm hoping! The gov guys have basically said they want to use us as a test case - yippee! NOT! Not that I'd have a prob normally but need the $$ from the camper and at 7.5mths preg I can think of plenty of other things to stress over!
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Follow Up By: tonysmc - Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 20:27
Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 20:27
k15s,
I was just wondering what the final outcome was? Hopefully all in your favour.
Cheers Tony.
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