Raising ride height

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I have a Jayco Stirling with 14" wheels. I have fitted the Hayman Reece levelers with dual cam anti sway. These are very good but ride low to the ground and bottom out occasionally which I want to resolve by raising the ride height.
Other than fitting 15" wheels, and under slinging the axles (95mm increase) can any one suggest other alternatives. The axles are 45mm with top mounted stub axles, so I have considered straight axles in their place giving about 50mm increase.
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Reply By: Member - Johny boy (NSW) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 06:47

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 06:47
Hi Johntoyo,
You will have the axle width as well as the spring pack ( 20 mm?) and the Tyre increase that should lift it a fair bit, is the van still under warranty and does this mod effect your insurance on your car or van ?
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Reply By: snapper49 - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:14

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 08:14
Its just a matter of putting your axle under the springs instead of on top
Much safer as it takes the load off of your U bolts
You will gain the thickness of the spring usually about 60mm
Insurance is ok
Warranty just advise your doing it and ive never heard a problem doing it
Its very common to do it and a relatively simple process
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Follow Up By: snapper49 - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:31

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:31
Sorry will be the thickness of the spring plus your axle thickness

re stripping axle isnt necessary o get a new one made
just tell them the width of your van at the wheel base and what rims you are using
they will have all the info required


Personally I would go with putting axle under springs the extra height wont be noticable and you wont regret it
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Reply By: johntoyo - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:15

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:15
Thanks for your replies and suggestions.
Axles are 45mm with top mounted 50mm dia stub axles, spring pack is 45mm. Under slinging with current axle may not be possible due to stub axles. Van is just out of warranty, and I had not considered insurance issue.
I am leaning towards a new pair of straight axles over slung as now which should give 47.5mm. Would have to strip axles assembles to get axle lengths etc.

Easy option is for 15" wheels if I can find some (mags) Landcruiser 80 series 6 stud pattern.
Thanks again for your response.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:18

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 09:18
By replacing the Al-Ko Over Lay axle on your Jayco with a Straight Axle you'll raise the van by around 49mm (2"). I think you'll find that is sufficient to stop you dragging the bum on driveways etc. It's a fairly common conversion.
ozjohn
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Follow Up By: johntoyo - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:39

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:39
Thanks ozjohn0. I am leaning that way as 5 new mags and rubber is not going to be cheap.
Need to find a good axle supplier in Perth area who can supply with pre-fitted appropriate mounting plate. I have no problems stripping and rebuilding hubs and axles, but I am not going to tackle fitting and welding hub mounting plate.

Any help here would be appreciated.

Thanks again to all.
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:15
hi try wa trailer parts i believe they dmake axles to required sizeicluding pozitorque type i tipped a crank axle on a viscount years ago tolift the rear of the van up and match the tow height of my 4wd and it changed it by 90mm but the crank was a large offset axle
mazcan barry
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Reply By: Tenpounder (SA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:52

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 14:52
Hi there. I assume you do not have a problem with an annex, if you lift the van by a few inches? I have read of people who got a shock after a lift!!
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Reply By: Homebrewer - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:18

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:18
G'day John, I have raised the ride height on my caravan, a 16 foot pop-top.
I have the overlay / offset axle. What I done was rolled the axle over so the stub axle is now under the axle, giving a 100mm lift.
This not only raises the body height but also increases axle clearance.
The brakes and backing plates were swapped from side to side so that the brakes are facing the right direction.
The brackets for the shockies need to go on the opposite side of the axle as does the axle to spring blocks.
I done this over 5 years ago and have done tens of thousands of miles , some rough gravel included and no problems.
Increasing the wheel size will decrease the load carring capacity of the wheel bearings.
Another option is to go bigger wheels with a straight axle with pararell bearings, the pararell bearings will retain your load carrying capacity.
I hope this gives you some food for thought .. Cheers Pete ..
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Reply By: henpecked - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:23

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:23
Changing wheel size would be contrary to Vin plate...Illegal??
Is inverting the axle so stubs are under rather than on top of the axle a possibility, and swapping end to end if shock brackets etc. are welded to axle?
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Follow Up By: johntoyo - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:00

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:00
Thanks for the follow up people, as this is why I posted the issue and expected there would be things (illegal Vin plate etc.) that I would miss.

I don't have shocks on the axles, so that is not an issue. Raising by under slinging will give me 90mm and then the annexe becomes an issue, but I know around >50mm is OK. Inverting the axle is also out as again this will give 95mm.

Recently just spoke to Jayco and the straight axle is a common modification which they have no issues with.

All I am after is additional clearance under the dual cam anti sway, and which I highly recommend as good piece of kit.

Again many thanks to all contributors.
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Reply By: ozjohn0 - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:27

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:27
Revering an Over Lay axle 180 degrees to become an Under Lay would never be done or even considered by any competent engineer.
It's extremely poor engineering practice as the forces alway want the axle to roll over back to an Over Lay situation.
An inspection by a competent road safety inspector would see this type of conversion put off the road.
ozjohn.
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Follow Up By: johntoyo - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 17:32

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 17:32
Can't disagree with that ozjohn0.

Last of any considerations for sure, and even then as you point out flakey.

Got a price from WA Trailer parts for straight axles with fitted adaptor plates, but they would like to see axles to ensure type of bearings etc. before they have them welded up.

Jayco were good enough to supply spacing between plates from their records for my van but you can't beat taking the item in.

My first venture onto this web site for this sort of stuff, and will not hesitate to use it again if need be.
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Follow Up By: henpecked - Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:16

Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:16
Just curious ozjohn0.
Wouldn't the same force you refer to tend to want the axle to roll to underlay if fittted as overlay?
After all, it is the same pressure/force/impact on the stub no matter where it is, and which I imagine would be the same stresses on the beam and U-bolts.
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Follow Up By: johntoyo - Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:46

Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 09:46
Not really henpecked. I agree after ozjohn0 pointed it out. When the stub axles are inverted and now on the bottom there will be the same force on them and the U bolts while the van is stationary, but when being towed etc. additional forces will also be applied from the side. Imagine hitting a deep pot hole at speed.

Any way as ozjohn0 points out not a good solution to what I am trying to achieve.

Thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:21

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:21
Seems to me you want to crack a walnut with a sledgehammer.

Why not just adjust the cams on the Hayman Reece head to give you no more than 4 links and problem fixed for NOTHING.

I have just gone from a van with 14 in wheels to one with 15 in and still have the HR on the same settings.
Should be able to lift it a bit if its not already on 4 links..

Just dont go any less.



Cheers


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Follow Up By: johntoyo - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:33

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:33
Graham, I'm on the 4 link minimum now. Was told by the supplier before I got the cams that the Jayco might be a problem, as the A frame is low.
Had a friend who lost/rolled his van from fish tailing then went to dual cams and would not go back.
Pulled mine (22ft) without and then with the cams and you notice the difference.

Believe me I have tried all sort of different combinations with the HR set up before I started looking to change wheels/axles, and I would love it if it was that simple.

Any way thanks for your contribution.
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