New Road rules threaten Phone GPS

Submitted: Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:08
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Just saw this on the internet on the Sydney Morning Herald IT page
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/cartech/sat-nav-apps-could-be-heading-for-a-dead-end-20090918-fv1v.html
It will rid the roads of some problems but no doubt create others.
There will be an uproar once those that have the mobile phone for more than one application realize they are illegal. They are no good where a lot of us go anyway.
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:36

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:36
I can just see the cops pulling drivers up to see if it's an iPhone or other nav device on their dashboard!
"That's ok, sir, it's not an iPhone, you can go...."


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Reply By: ben_gv3 - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:41

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:41
The article only mentions non-mounted phones, ie you are holding the phone when in use. So if you have a car cradle thingy then you're fine.
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Reply By: ExplorOz - David & Michelle - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:46

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:46
If you read the full article it explains that if you have a cradle and the sat nav is totally voice activated then it is legal to use the iPhone with sat nav apps.
Phew!

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Reply By: Member -Paul M (WA) - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 13:28

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 13:28
These are words in article

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Victoria will roll out the new rules, which will limit drivers' use of mobile phones and satellite navigation devices, on November 9.
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Gov Departments need to flow with the times while technology grows by the second ,GPS devices will be every where in everything

IT took a cave man 1 million years to think about tying a rock to a stick to make a axe , look how far we came in 100 years

we all need to move with the times
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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 14:29

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 14:29
Its a badly written article designed to wind up people.
Its seems that the relevant govt depts and other intersted parties are still negotiating and the states are not compelled to adopt the new laws.
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 15:23

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 15:23
Newspaper slow day.

This was published on 25th August Click here for Article by Gizmodo
This is law in NSW right now.

As far as GPS units, this was raised back in July Clicjk here for NRMA Motoring Blog
It is not illegal to use a GPS (not a mobile phone with GPS capabilities) in NSW.

I suspect that the reference to "and satellite navigation devices" is a mistake, that would kill off Hire cars ,(mostly registered in Victoria) Trucks and tourism by driving visitors form other states.

Some good points raised:
Many SatNav units do bluetooth to mobiles, = SatNav primary role is Navigation not telephony.
iPhone used as music players = A phone will only be allowed to be used for its primary purpose.

Yes it is going to be hard to police. If the Police come up behind you and the phone is mounted in the cradle and the screen is lit, you may get pulled over. If the phone is capable of being a GPS, you may get done.

You could claim that you were on a hands free call or received a text, but that is easy to check by call record on your phone or by carrier.

Tough times
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 17:59

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 17:59
I think you are incorrect re: cradle mounted phones/GPS being illegal.

As the article says and from I've read in the past month, using the cradle is perfectly fine.

As per the NRMA article, you can get done for having a cradle that obstructs your view of the road. So as long as you mount it in the correct position you're fine.

I think you would have to be very unlucky to get done for the cradle obstructing your vision though.
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 18:15

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 18:15
Yes I read it that way as well. Too many people have the GPS mounted right in the centre of the windscreen where it has to block their vision and should be outlawed.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:30

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:30
Ben,

I should have posted this link

Gizmo link
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Quote from link.

According to Traffic Services Commander of the NSW Police, Assistant Commissioner John Hartley:

Under Rule 300 of the Australian Road Rules, which prohibits the use of a hand held device while driving, if the unit is a mobile phone then any function connected to the phone would be classified as use and this includes GPS.

Rule 299, of the Australian Road Rules permits a GPS but not one connected to a mobile phone. A smart phone is still a mobile phone regardless of what else it may be capable of.

That means that even if you buy TomTom’s iPhone bracket and stick your iPhone in it to use the device as a satnav, because the iPhone’s still a phone, using it is against the law. The same rule goes for any Nokia device offering turn-by-turn navigation, any Telstra phone with WhereIs… If your satnav has a SIM card or mobile phone capability, then you run the risk of being fined.
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:47

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 09:47
I read that totally diferently.

My reading of it is that a GPS (which can be hand held) will be treated as a GPS; a phone with GPS capabilities will be treated as a phone.

A mobile phone can still be used in the car, subject to certain provisions (mounting, hands free etc)

A mobile phone with GPS capabilities will be subject to the same provsions as a mobile phone.

Lazy reporting from a reporter who should go back to year 9 and get training in reading and critical analysis skills
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 16:20

Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 16:20
hi
when you think about it and most say a gps is a hands free device and the same with a phone held by a cradle but even when it's in a cradle we still use our fingers to activate the touch screen or phone buttons to enter or alter details

so in essence it's not a hands free device what about cb or hf radio mics ?????
where does it start and end for all this confusing issue yes we are not actually holding onto them /handheld
we wont be able to change manual gears or hold the steering wheel soon for fear of been distracted??????

i think as long as they can justify fining someone based on some badly thought out rules backed by equaly bad legislation they are happy
but we are'nt
when will they gets there facts straight
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Reply By: Fat Terry - Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 19:58

Monday, Sep 21, 2009 at 19:58
I agree with Ross M. What a rubbish article.

SMH states :

"it would be illegal for drivers to navigate using a mobile that doubles as a satellite navigation device."

but much later, when the reader has probably headed off to a forum or two, or the pub to sell their PDA, it says :

"Drivers will only be able to use mobile phones if they are placed in purpose-made cradles and operation is entirely hands-free."

The second statement makes the first untrue, or at best seriously misleading through omission of relevant and important facts.

But its generating the interest they want by our very writing about it and hitting on the article !
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Reply By: gottabjoaken - Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:17

Tuesday, Sep 22, 2009 at 12:17
Note that (I think) in SA there is a rule - or proposed new rule - that Learners and P1 drivers are not allowed to use any function of a mobile phone under any circumstances (even if in cradle and hands free) while driving (ie not parked).

here is a link - no guarantee to the accuracy:
L and P1 drivers and mobile phones

IMO, this would have to also prevent the use of a GPS navigation function on a mobile phone since it does not expressly permit it.

ps: this is the current status in SA for full licensed drivers:

Transport SA faq on mobile phones

Ken
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Wednesday, Sep 23, 2009 at 21:30

Wednesday, Sep 23, 2009 at 21:30
I believe it is the same rule in Victoria for learner & p1 licence holders the use of any phone is illegal. The law once was, using a communication device whilst driving (Victoria) The Pollies who made the laws forgot about communication devices & when the new law was proclaimed only mentioned hand held phones & also dropped the term "whilst driving" so when stopped at a red light and waiting for a green light DON'T hold/use your phone because it is illegal. You can only hold it when parked. The Govt has been trying for awhile now to clarify/fix the law & it's still going around & around. No offence to anyone but what is the difference to me driving a B double & holding onto a UHF microphone and chattering away to other road users.....there is no mention of Communication device....however it's like trying to drive eating a jumbo burger, changing gears with one hand....it comes under careless driving!!
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