deep cycle battery self destruct
Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 18:55
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Member - gujimbo
This is what happened to my deep cycle battery ( 9 months old) after a 3 week desert trip into Central Australia,from
Warburton in WA to
Birdsville in QLD.
I eventually removed the battery when the acid started leaking and connected all the accesories to my main battery.Phot was taken at
Boggy Hole.
The supplier will not provide warranty due to the "physical damage" on the battery (cracks in case).
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:08
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:08
Hi Gu Jimbo
Hmm! Diesel GU's have more NVH than petrol ones, but more seriously can you tell us more about the battery , size make model etc and perhaps how it was mounted.
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Follow Up By: Member - gujimbo - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:41
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:41
Hi Robin,
The battery is a HAZE N70 VRLA GEL (12v 100ah deep cycle),
it was mounted in a ARB battery tray , the battery sat on a rubber mat and was fixed on top with the usual mounting bracket hardware.
Previous to this battery i had an Optima yellow top for 4 years before it died.
I've never seen a battery self destruct like this one has, i also had to
water down the engine bay with a water/bi-carb mix to neutralise the acid.
Cheers
Jim
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:54
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:54
Hi Jimbo
I can assure you its possible to do that with a small gas explosion cause by it getting to hot and self overcharging.
It probably going to depend on wether you can see traces of carbon etc from a burn as opposed to vibration damage.
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Follow Up By: dave the brickie - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 22:45
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 22:45
you should have stuck with the optima.I've had a bluetop in the caravan coming up 5 years,still going strong..
Dave....
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:17
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:17
Buggar the supplier, Take it back to the manufacturer!!! Michael
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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:43
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 19:43
suppliers will not take back batteries with cracks in the casing. looks like it was overcharging with little electrolyte. the black stuff is the lead inside off the plates
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:23
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:23
autosparky,
I agree, the dark residue is surrounding the battery caps, this is where the 'gas' / 'acid' has come out of the battery via the caps, yes probably because of overcharging.
What's cracked the case is debatable?
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:24
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 16:24
there is wear under the crack the battery has been moving
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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 13:37
Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 13:37
hi all
i seem to recall reading about a marine battery that has been specially made for boats to with-stand the constant shudder of the hull vibrations across rough
water has anyone tried one of these
i know and have had personell experience of the unforgiving horra-gations on the canning
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 20:55
Tuesday, Sep 29, 2009 at 20:55
Mmmmm he no looky too good! i hope
mine doesnt do that, i have the exact same battery after my AGM dying at 4 odd years under the bonnet.i went for a Gel as they are supposed to cope with under bonnet temps better than an AGM.
Mine is about 18 months old now,but i have not done a large trip with it yet.
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Reply By: Wilk0 - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:22
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 08:22
Hi Gujimbo,
Thats not good that you cant get warranty on it.
I have a Haze 87amp gel battery, so I'm keen to find out what went wrong
Can you (or someone) tell me if it is an ABS case or poly?
Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:16
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:16
We just got back from doing the CSR & Gunbarrel etc, between 3 vehicles we had to replace 6 batteries which failed, I believe, due to the corrugations.
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Follow Up By: Member - Rodney B- Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:25
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:25
Same here. Just finished Simpson and Flinders and replaced one battery in the middle of the trip and second one the day after we got home. Corrugations I believe are the culprit as both batteries were mounted on rubber bases and were secure in the car. Both batteries were only 2 years old but did survive a Cape trip the year before.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:04
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:04
What type of batteries failed ?
Wetcell, Gel, AGM, Spiral-cell ?
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:29
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:29
Yes,
Please name the brands and specific battery
We don't need to be buying batteries that "fail" due to build or design faults
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Rodney B- Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:45
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:45
Both
mine were Exide N70ZZL Wetcell batteries (just cranking batteries) but I have since fitted an Exide deep cell acid as the Aux to see if this is any better than the 2 standard cranking batteries.
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Reply By: RV Powerstream P/L - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 14:02
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 14:02
The Optima Battery is an excellent battery for vibration due to its spiral plates.
Any other battery where the plates are not Lock Bonded to Vibration Standard IEC-61373 is doomed to early vibration failure.
It would appear that a combination of over charging and vibration has killed the Haze.
I think M&H Power import the Haze Range but it is unlikely that battery would be a warranty claim.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:38
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:38
Cylindrical cell batteries aren't cheap - but one of the big advantages of this construction is the physical strength.
That's why they were developed for military applications.
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 23:07
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009 at 23:07
Gujimbo
One avenue might be to suggest that unless they provide a replacement battery at wholesale replacement cost you will go public on a very widely read public 4WD
forum.
Oh, you already have. Never mind.
Worth a try though.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 06:06
Thursday, Oct 01, 2009 at 06:06
gujimbo
I did 2 battery's in 24 hrs. Heading home from the Canning.
How lucky was I, couold have been in the middle of the Canning.
I said to SWMBO before we left, that the corrugations will probably kill at least 1 battery, but I did not expect to do both battery's in the tow vehicle.
Maybe I shoould have listened to a mate, who told me to put some rubber under them, before we head out. I thought that low tyre pressure was enuf, but apparently not !
Then again we were on the worst roads in the country, so I would expect that.
I have done 3 fairly
big desert trips before last one, and had never had a problem. Just chalk it up to "collateral damage", as is the odd puncture.
Cheers Mate
Bucky
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Reply By: Freewilly1414 - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 13:14
Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 13:14
There's only one type of battery i would use off road and thats a gel type from a company like Optima,,,i use the red top model in my race car at speedway and they have lasted 2 years banging around the track before I sell the car. i have even seen one with a hole in the side and still worked . Plus if you hole one you just patch it up .
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Reply By: Acropora - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 00:04
Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 00:04
I have just discovered the Exide 35aH batteries fitted to my KK were mounted lying down on their side. As a result they have expanded and deformed to the point where they would not accept a charge, hence are now paper weights.
After checking with a battery expert, I was informed that mounting the batteries on their side voids the warranty as soon as they are charged. Have only used the Kamper on 2 occasions and although I bought it second hand, I am very dissapointed with this discovery. The problem I have is finding replacement batteries that can be mounted upright and have a low height. Unfortunately there is not enough room to mount the batteries in the existing position (in the small compartment aft of the bed). All the existing batteries out there that will fit have very low aH ratings.
Does anyone have any suggestions or similar experiences with the
Kimberley Kampers?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 15:00
Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 15:00
It sounds strange for the Exide ED10s' to be mounted on their side in a KK....my 6 are standing vertical with t-piece brackets securing them in position. Though I was lead to believe that one of the benefits of a true AGM battery is its ability to be mounted in any orientation.
I've seen the exide endurances expand/deform, which they put down to excessive discharging (below 10 volts iirc).
There are alternative battery brands out there to fit in the same spot eg
lifeline GPL-U1T AGM battery etc, however they are still around the 33-35AHr rating.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Acropora - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 19:55
Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 19:55
Thanks Andrew for the reply,
Can you let me know where you have your batteries located?
At the moment the only vertical space I have in the box supplied just fits the width (height when laying down) of the Exide ED10S batts at 132mm. Finding a battery with a height of 132mm is not going to be easy (with some capacity). They all seem to be around 170+mm.
I am thinking of having the wiring re-done to re-located the batteries so they can stand upright. My model is the 2006 Sports RV.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 21:14
Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 21:14
I have the 2005 KK LE with the 210AHr setup. The 6 batteries are behind the
kitchen "drawer" and forward of the stainless steel drawer under the bed. Sliding the drawer out and removing a white panel on top of them gives access to the batteries.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Acropora - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 00:14
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 00:14
Thanks Andrew,
I think I will have to put
mine in the same location. I might give KK a ring tomorrow to see if the setup I have is one of theirs or a dodgy one someone threw together. Not sure why they would lay AGM's on their side if it voids the warranty and causes problems.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 07:54
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 07:54
There should be no issue with warranty when installing AGM batteries in any orientation as far as i know...it is one of their selling points (
example).
If it voids warranty, i would to see where it says that on a piece of paper or on the product. ;)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:42
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 09:42
Every AGM battery datasheet I've seen makes it clear that you can mount it in any orientation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:04
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 10:04
Thanks Mike.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Acropora - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:13
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 11:13
Thank for the info guys. Makes me feel a little better about the current location and orientation of the batteries. Battery World advised me there was only one battery on the market able to be mounted lying down. His main comment about warranty was the battery was not to be charged while on its side. Can be used in that orientation but not charged. I will have the charger checked to see if it is at fault.
thanks again for the info.
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Follow Up By: Rolly - Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 15:17
Tuesday, Oct 06, 2009 at 15:17
Acropora,
If your Battery World advisor is of the same ilk as the ones at my local franchise, he probably has some kind of learning difficulty.
I presented the 'team' with the written warrantee for an item that I was returning, they studied it carefully, then went on to tell me that the fault was not covered under the warrantee.
I had to highlight the relevant section with day-glo marker before it got through to them that they really had not understood what they had just read.
All four of them.
Never, not never ever, put your faith in someone who's objective in life is to make a living from selling you something.
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