Recovery hooks for front of Pajero

Submitted: Friday, Oct 02, 2009 at 21:19
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Hi all just back from 5 week trip from Central Coast NSW, to Broken Hill - Leigh Creek - Marree - up Oodnadatta track to Marla - down to Coober Pedy - out through Painted Desert - to Dalhousie - Mt Dare - through Finke - to Uluru - Kings Canyon - Merenie Loop - through to Alice/ East McDonald's - then 3ways - Mt Isa - Longreach - Charleville - Bourke and home. With only 1 problem the Camper Trailer broke off the spring hangers after the Dalhousie Rd but got out to Kulgera.
It was a rush to leave on this trip and had no recovery hooks on front of 2008 Pajero only factory hooks but all the recovery gear if we got stuck. No winch fitted to front of Pajero but carried hand winch.The question is can anyone tell me if you can fit after market recovery hooks Thanks for your help in advance
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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Friday, Oct 02, 2009 at 21:45

Friday, Oct 02, 2009 at 21:45
Tony Z
This question was raised in a Earlier thread

I suggest you speak with someone like ARB or TJM as the monocoque chassis may need some consideration. I would suggest that any recovery from the front should be done with a bridle strap to equalise any loads

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 19:44

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 19:44
Tony V
I did not see the previous thread and will talk to ARB/TJM about fitting recovery hooks to my Paj
Thanks for your reply - all replies are gratefully appreciated as it's all new to me
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Friday, Oct 02, 2009 at 23:37

Friday, Oct 02, 2009 at 23:37
Tony

I think there was a typo in your title

The Paj only needs "REAR"recovery hooks.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 19:50

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 19:50
Bob
I know where you're coming from ( a Pajero never gets stuck ) is only needed to retrieve other vehicles.
But I did carry REAR recovery gear BUT there is always a slight chance that it may happen, and now I have the 4x4 bug and will be getting into the tuff stuff again soon
Thanks
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Reply By: pickle - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 07:35

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 07:35
Tony
No difference from this NP to your NS.
Why do you need aftermarket recovery points?
I have never heard of a factory one to fail.

The Video
Sand Snatch Recovery Pajero /Test Results

Following claims being circulated through clubs, retail points and on the Internet, that single point snatch strap recovery would result in damage to Pajeros (specifically, warping of monocoque frame, popped windscreen and guard damage), MMAL Engineering recently conducted a series of tests to prove categorically. That such was not the case.

LOCATION: Sandhills on private property at Peake, South Australia (40km out of Tailem Bend).

PROCEDURE: Intentionally bog new NP 3.8 Pajero (identical construction to NM monocoque Pajero), then use another Pajero to repeatedly snatch recover the vehicle, using the same single recovery point each time. (front RHD on the bogged vehicle and on the towbar of the recovery vehicle) In addition, to establish just how much load is involved in such recovery operations, a load sensor was first attached to the recovery vehicle, and the snatch strap then attached to it and then attached to the bogged vehicle. (It should be remembered that the loads involved will apply equally to the recovery and recovered vehicles i.e. not halved.)
Snatch strap rating was 8 tonnes. Properly rated D-shackles were used to locate the strap and load sensor. Strap slack on each occasion was approximately two metres, and the recovery vehicle was driven away in second gear low range.
Immediately before and after each recovery operation, engineering staff using depth gauges measured panel gaps. A total of ten different points were measured, including bonnet, front and rear doors and tailgate.

RESULTS: A total of six recoveries was accomplished, ranging from the most common bogging occurrence on flat ground to recovery over a very steep sandhill. (It should be noted that to bog the vehicle on flat ground, the ABS relay had to be removed to disable the traction control.)
The flat ground recovery measured a force of 21 kN (kilonewtons). (Ten kN is approximately equal to one tonne.)
Four successive recoveries were achieved on a slight sand hill with quite severe sideslope. Maximum load here was 27 kN.
On the most extreme recovery, the load was 31 kN. According to information from tests conducted in Japan prior to monocoque Pajero being released, this is more than enough to distort some conventional 4WD chassis.
At the end of testing, no difference was noted between gap measurement prior to testing and after. All doors opened and closed as expected.
MMAL would like to stress that there is no danger in recovering a stranded Pajero using single point recovery, providing recognized snatch recovery techniques are used.

Dave Howard
Technical Officer
Pajero 4WD Club of Vic
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 14:57

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 14:57
Dave,

Thank you for the informative video and reply, it is good to get the facts.
Irrespective of what type of vehicle I would still suggest a bridle is used if possible (even on my 100). There again I would also only recommend that you use 500 mm of slack in a recovery.

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Follow Up By: Member - Tony Z (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 20:03

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 20:03
Thanks pickle You hear all sorts of things about recovery - factory points not up to the job and will pull off. Your reply will help if ever I need to be pulled out of a bog/sand but so far my NS has proved to go where I have wanted to go, BUT I will be able to push some limits now and know that if required I can be retrieved.
Thanks again
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Reply By: BenDiD - Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:46

Saturday, Oct 03, 2009 at 09:46
Tony,

Pickle has definitively answered the question, but just thought I would add my experience with an 04 NP and now my 07 NS.

I have snatched the NP and used it to snatch others many times on Fraser Island. I used the factory recovery points without any sort of bridle or equalising strap. I have never seen any signs of twisting, such as doors being out of alignment or the car's on highway handling changing or drifting. I have not done many recoveries with the NS (and never had it stuck) but again haven't noticed any issues.

Its an urban myth that the Paj doesn't have a chasis - its integrated into the monocoque body, just like the latest Land Rover Discos.

Good Luck

Ben
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