bbq gas

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Just bought gas for barbie, sausage gas if you like in NW wa. Record price so far this trip $6.50 per kg filled into 4.5kg bottle, over three times the price for gas filled at camping store in Gladstone qld. Why is this when the northwest is the home of gas. Also my car gas is l twice as expensive up here still daylight robbery but not as bad as bbq gas. we need some sort of an enquiry nation wide into this enormous rip off. Finally I believe we should pay no more for sausage gas than car gas as cooking is undeniably a necessity of life. Also I suspect in a lot of places it is the same product under a different label
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 17:18

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 17:18
jamiel

Here a link that may help Gas.

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Richard
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:09

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:09
We have 9 kg bottles on the caravan, and the cheapest we've paid in last couple of years is $27.50 full fill. One fill at $25 was the cheapest in 2006. None of these were in remote places.

The price of gas bottles varies greatly. In Darwin, they would not fill ours as out of date. It was $55 for bottle including fill ($27.50), and $56.60 to refurbish and re-certify our bottle. Quotes for an empty new bottle en route varied from around $88 filled to $39.95 empty which we purchased - yet to get filled.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:14

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:14
I bought a new bottle filled at a camping shop in Geraldton for $59, same at BBQ Galore was $69.and BCF was $70.

Cheapest fills on trip been $25 on East Coast. Dearest $37 on West Coast.

2kg bottle has been up to $11 for a fill.

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:16

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 18:16
BCF in Darwin cost me $19.90 for a 9kg fill 2 months ago !!
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian (WA) - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:32

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:32
BCF Myree 22.90 to refill 9 kg bottle. been that price for while.
Probably due to go up
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:00

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:00
Gidday

gas prices in WA, both for cars and in bottles of all sizes, have been a contentious issue for some time.

There are two suppliers and as is the case with the major oil companies, their response to most queries about their pricing is to deflect the question. If you never say anything meaningful it can't be used in evidence against you.

there was even a parliamentary inquiry a year or so ago and the MPs found it impossible to penetrate the wall that these companies put up to hide what goes on.

Earlier this year car LPG was 20c a litre dearer in Perth than Melbourne but within WA it can be much much dearer, 40 to 50c a litre dearer in the Goldfields/Pilbara than in Perth!

That's one for anyone with an LPG powered 4WD to bear in mind when travelling to WA.

I will stand correcting on this but I think the price of LPG in WA is linked to some middle eastern pricing index which i also think is where the gas actually comes from. That's why it is much dearer for cars here than in victoria where the gas comes from bass straight I believe.

Apart from a small proportion for domestic and industry use, that north west shelf gas you hear about goes overseas ... gas giant woodside has said it is not feasible to produce LPG here in WA ...

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:46

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:46
rocco

Gas on the "north west shelf" is natural gas (God made) LNG is what they sell OS and we use in WA homes and industries,

LPG is a man made product from oil and I will check but I think you will find it is made in WA by Kleenheat a Westfarmers company... I will check..

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Richard
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:54

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:54
Update

"LPG occurs naturally in crude oil and natural gas production fields and is also produced in the oil refining process. Australia has five sources of naturally occurring LPG sources - Bass Strait (1,050) kilotonnes (kt)), Cooper Basin in Central Australia (410 kt), North West Shelf (810 kt) Kwinana in Western Australia (330 kt) and Surat Basin in Queensland (16 kt).

Refinery production is from seven refineries, Bulwer Island (BP) and Lytton (Caltex) in Queensland, Clyde (Shell) and Kurnell (Caltex) in New South Wales, Altona (Exxon Mobil) and Geelong (Shell) in Melbourne and Kwinana (BP) in Western Australia"

lpg auto gas

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Richard
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 21:12

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 21:12
Thanks Richard

Dunno abt that source of gas at kwinana, probably the refinery and I reckon they make it out of imported oil .

I did some more digging into that parliamenatary enquiry and the finding basically was that at the retail end local gas suppliers outside the metro area (who usually have some form of monopoly themselves) charge what they think the market will bear ... free enterprise at work!

As a mate of mine was told when he ever so quietly drew breath when told the price of a carton of cans in Denham "the next pub's Carnarvon".


I've said it before and I'll say it again, i love your profile pic

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Reply By: snapper49 - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:31

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 20:31
Im yet to do the big trip around but here we have swap and go
Is this system in place right around Oz or am I just lucky here in South Oz???

Swap and go is basically you just drop off your bottle take another that is full at a cost of approx $25
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Follow Up By: dbish - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 22:42

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 22:42
Or 35$ in some SA country areas!
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Follow Up By: jamiel - Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 22:54

Sunday, Oct 04, 2009 at 22:54
Yes we have swap and go $34.00 but just up the road a couple of k's you can get gas refills by weight at $2.00 a kg or $18 something for a 9kg bottle. I once refused to pay 13.50 for a 1kg bottle in Julia creek. When the counter lady said she was going to get the police I told her to go ahead as it wouldnt look good in court for her company. When the other travellers in the service station applauded she grudgingly sold me the gas for $5.00. bear in mind at the time I could buy a whole new cylinder complete with gas for about the same money $13.50. I dont begrudge anyone earning a fair dollar and when you live in woop woop you deserve a good dollar but some of the prices are just over the top. Interestingly the next place I got the little 1kg bottle filled I also got a 9kg filled and the guy wouldn't take any money for the little bottle . This was also in woop woop.
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:36

Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 10:36
I've often wondered about the practice of some re-sellers when dispensing gas to fill bottles. I was always under the impression that whatever you purchased was priced on the basis of quanity (wet or dry) then it should be weighed or measured. Many years ago the re-seller would weigh your bottle before and after filling and you paid the difference between the two. Perhaps re-sellers that don't weigh the bottles are iin breach of Consumer Laws etc. Might be worth folliwing up.
Imagine the uproar if you dispensed petrol/fuel into your vehicle, with a 50 litre tank, went to pay and told o'h that's $90 (or whatever) and yet you had 40% full tank before filling and based on their assumption you finish up paying $3.00 (or whatever) per litre. They cannot do that in regard to weights and or measures.
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Reply By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 20:03

Monday, Oct 05, 2009 at 20:03
We paid close around $38 to swap a 9kg cylinder in WA and found generally they were all much more expensive than on the east coast. We have just refilled one over the long weekend here in Ulladulla, our home town on the NSW South Coast, for $20.

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