Sensational Brown Davis long range fuel tank, backup !
Submitted: Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 06:28
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Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"
Hi all
I have discovered the best warranty & after sales service in Oz
As I said in a previous post, I did my BD long range fuel
tank, on our big trip.
The boys from Brown Davis, in Bayswater, Vic, have been brilliant to me. They had my
tank removed, and patched enuf to get me home from
Alice Springs, at no cost to me. Not to be outdone they are getting the patrol this morning and replacing it with a new one.
Funny thing is, there has never been any question from them, just get it to us, and we will rip it out and put in a new one.
Gotta love it
Bucky
Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 07:29
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 07:29
Totally agree with you bucky. Never an issue, they even pulled out and fixed my Long
Ranger main
tank after ARB pontificated about it being 4 months out of warranty "Oh we only sell them, not our responability". The tracks out there are getting worse each year due to the increased traffic. I think that all aftermarket accessory manafacturers need to take heed of that and start toughening up their products accordingly. I've found that BD take that info on board.
Cheers. Mick
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:10
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:10
I think they must be very
well made.
Mine has taken some fearsome dings and is deeply gouged. The whole thing is stove in by about 10 litres. However, the seam welding appears very strong and I have every confidence that I will be unable to rupture it despite what I do to it.
I am debating whether to get the dings knocked (or pulled) out, and whether to protect it with a bash plate.
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:10
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 08:10
Bucky,
Brown and Davis warranty who have to be the best any where.
"Not to be outdone they are getting the patrol this morning and replacing it with a new one"
Does this mean that you are going to get a new Patrol from BD :-))
Good to hear that the
tank is getting fixed, there is nothing worse than fuel dripping from a fuel
tank. The
tank must come under a lot of stress with the weight of the fuel, the body twisting and the corrugations no wonder the seams crack.
Wayne
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:24
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:24
That's good news.
I had less luck with a long-range
tank on my old Mav. It developed a split in the top welding, prob due to fatigue. Took it back on our return, and was told that the company had changed hands and nothing they could do.
But they did offer to remove it and scrap it for FREE!
The offer was declined, and I took the
tank out myself and got it professionally welded and strengthened. Never gave trouble after that.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: pmk3 - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:08
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:08
Yeh! Good to here they have lifted there game. Had a bad experience with BD in early 2000's. Same problem.... Splitting welds. At the time I had a very negetive response from BD.
I ended doing what you did Gerry, ie removing it & having it professionally repaired & strengthend. I too had no more trouble. But swore I'd never go back to BD again.
Just my experience......... Like I said good to see they have improved.
PMK
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:15
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 10:15
Meant to mention - it wasn't BD who made
mine!
Don't think the company exists now. Prob for good reason.....
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 13:00
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 13:00
I've heard many good things about the service at BD (including Bucky's post above) but to me, first time reliability is far more important. A warranty is of limited value if you're in the middle of nowhere - far better in my book if the thing doesn't break in the first place.
I've looked into getting a long range fuel tank fitted (save me carrying jerries in the back of the wagon) but I could never be comfortable after reading numerous reports of aftermarket fuel tanks rupturing. splitting or even completely dropping out! And if research just this site, you'll find reports relating to tanks built by each and every one of the
well-known manufacturers (though there are also numerous people with each of the
well-known brands who report no troubles whatsoever even after driving through some very rough country).
However, how often do you hear of a factory-fitted tank fatiguing, rupturing, splitting or even dropping out? I've certainly never heard of it happening (except if punctured by a rock). If the vehicle manufacturers can get it right so consistently, why can't the aftermarket suppliers/fitters get it right more often? Afterall, they ask serious money for long-range tanks, and fuel (esp. petrol) is not something to take risks with (as we've seen in a couple of recent threads).
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Follow Up By: ajd - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 16:46
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 16:46
Mate of
mine had a tank from BD fitted to his 100 series before our Simpson trip this year and it leaked everywhere..
When we got back he rang and told them and they picked it up on a flatbed truck the next day and returned it the day after. The warranty service was great but it didn't help me trying to drop the tank out in the middle of
the desert to try to seal the sender unit.
Just fit it right the first time.
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Reply By: Crackles - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 16:52
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 16:52
I know they sell plenty of tanks but boy they have alot of leaky ones. As good as their service has always been that is little consolation when your fuel is running out on the sand of the
Simpson Desert like it did for me. Have kept it in reliable jerry's ever since.
Cheers Craig...............
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 17:34
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 17:34
I've had LRT's from 3 reputable manufacturers in two vehicles over the last 5 years. I've broken every one of them. By broken I mean they've developed leaks around the seams. One
well known and quality brand, I had 3 tanks go in 3 months, all below the seams where the heat marks from welding were. To their credit, they flew tanks in to me everywhere in Australia. The last tank was accompanied to Alice by the owner of the company who bought a custom made unit and sorted the problem pronto. That tank did another 80K and was still in the vehicle when it was written off in an accident just before xmas.
I think the real issue lies in the worsening conditions of outback tracks. This may necessitate manufacturers re testing their equipment to ensure that it can meet the demands of the Canning, Gunbarrel and Simpson as they exist now and not 5 to 10 years ago. I know my issues have come from excessive vibration (the last tank cracked the rear mounts...it didn't leak though) caused by the Canning and umpteen other tracks. To be honest, I expect a tank to leak by the time I come back these days (Or a bullbar to crack or an areal to come apart...sad but true).
As more people travel the iconic tracks, conditions will deteriorate further and it follows that more issues will develop with aftermarket accessories.
Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:08
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:08
I fitted an Opposite Lock 160ltr long range tank to my D40 Navara just before Christmas 08. Just completed a 19000km trip which included the Wapet Rd, Gary Highway, Gunbarrel, Heather, Great Central and across the Simpson among a raft of other demanding (ie heavily corrugated) tracks. No
sign of leakage from any welded seams or hose attachment points......yet! Perhaps I've been lucky or OL are just a good product. Guess I'll really know in a couple of years or so.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:33
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:33
I'm the same Craig.
Seen to many LRT leaking or cracking the mounts to be worth the hassle and the money asked.
Lucky the Troopy has twin 90 litre tanks so a fair range as standard.
These days I carry another 120 litres in Jerry cans in the trailer so plenty of range.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:40
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:40
That would be "Lucky" with the left hand slow leak would it not? Must be a fair bit of weight in the trailer with all that fuel and UHT milk! Amazed you got over the dunes...oh but then you didn't have MRF's did you LOL LOL LOL. Powdered milk would cut your weight down somewhat.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:51
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:51
I seem to recall that you had a "Lucky" leak or two yourself
young fella :-)
I'm just about to email you a packet of my powdered milk as I know you enjoy it so much.
P.S. It wasn't that bloody slow anyway thats why I didn't stop to talk was trying to plug it before it was real flat on the bottom :-))
MRF's......................Ya bugga!!! bleep er.
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 13:11
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 13:11
"Powdered milk would cut your weight down somewhat" LOL - perhaps it will cut down your body weight by the time you get home because of all those times when you couldn't muster an appetite for it! But it won't do much for travelling/vehicle weight since you still have to carry the
water to mix it with... or would that explain your problem Mick O?! :)
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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:18
Thursday, Oct 08, 2009 at 23:18
Good to see that BD seems to have lifted there game in respect of after sales service and warranty.
They used to have a shocking reputation under the original owners for both build quality and service.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:51
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:51
Hi all again
I have a good mate that offered to weld her up, and he said that all the welds have to be ground off, and use either TIG or Oxy, but not MIG, as Mig does not de-stress the welds, thus as the tank flexes, the welds let go.
At Brown Davis,
Kinda makes sence, and I mentioned that to Kevin ( at Brown Davis ) and he replied that "Mig is their prefered method of welding, as it gives better penetration"......I do not know, as I am a Milk Powder Packer, and forklift driver, not a tradie.
They still get the odd tank that splits. They have all the experts, and welding suppliers, check out things, when tanks fail.
So they just look after the ones that fail.
Cheers Bucky
ps and I have a new tank, with a 3 year warranty, from yesterday.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:52
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 05:52
I should wake up properly,
My Inglersh is swockng
Cheres All
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 10:41
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 10:41
"Milk Powder Packer"!!
Or Powdered Milk Packer, it does not matter. :-)
Jeez!! Mate Mick O wants to talk to you, he loves the stuff, he has been looking for a direct supply line so he can buy in bulk for his next trip.
He's getting a
suspension upgrade on his new V8 79 Series so he can carry more of the stuff than ever before. LOL.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 19:57
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 19:57
As a full time welderTig welder Bucky, I would have to disagree with your mate. In a production enviroment Mig welding is the only option particularly as nearly all fuel tank manufacturers use "aluminised" steel to try and minimise corrosion.
Trying to Tig weld "aluminised" steel is a real problem with porosity in the weld almost certain.
Regards Andrew.
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