Hi, All Looking at buying a Gu Patrol
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Mrbrush
Have found a Gu Patrol Wagon which I like.
But it is a 2.8 turbo diesel. with about 250,000 k`s on it.
Just wondering how these motors perform for reliability and power ?
How would they go towing a camper trailer on sand tracks or beaches ?
It seems that I want to steer away from the 3.0l from what I have read and heard about them.
Being a six cylinder it would have more torque ?
Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:41
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:41
A 2.8 is a four. A 4.2 is a six
Go to the Patrol
Forum and ask your question there.
Then go and buy a Toyota LOL
From one who has owned both makes.
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Follow Up By: psproule - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 06:03
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 06:03
Very Wrong! the RD28 is an inline six cylinder overhead cam motor. It comes from the same family of engines as the
well known RB25, RB26 (skylines) and RB30 (Commodore and Aussie Skyline).
IMHO 250,000km on an already underpowered motor is too much. But you will get an opinion from owners over at www.patrol4x4.com.
Pat
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 13:13
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 13:13
Woops sorry will crawl back into hole. LOL
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Reply By: OREJAP - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:49
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:49
I bought a 1998 GU 2.8 Diesel 5 speed new and put all the accessories on it and we had it for 5 years and loved it. BUT, you must drive it on boost to get real get up & go from it. If you drive it like a normal vehicle it's sluggish at first but when the turbo comes in at 1800rpm away you go. We were in the country and lots of straight long roads & for some reason my wife & I remarked how the vehicle just got up to 125k/pH basically by its self it just seemed happy at that speed I know it sounds silly but unless you watched your speed you would all of a sudden realise you were speeding. When using low range keep it in a gear that is pulling revs so it's on the "boil" (Turbo on) example a friend would ascend a steep
hill in low 2nd in his cruiser turbo & then have plenty of pull. I would have to go up in low 1st on boost because once in fell away in revs you had to go for the left foot & gear change which can be hazadous because the vehicle is dictating the gear change not you. Apart from that it was a great vehicle & took us everywhere. The vehicle doesn't mind the revs I think from memory it's redlined at 5,000rpm. Basically if you won't torque & go drive it like you stole it. It only has one reversing light & the sub
tank only holds 32 litres not 40 it was a design fault. I wired up the rear tail lights fitting GMH globe holders which gave me tail and stop lamps if you haven;t noticed the big red lenses have nothing behind them Hope this help.
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Follow Up By: OREJAP - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:50
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 00:50
I didn;t read the following post. The 2.8 Diesel Patrol os a BIG SIX not a four cylinder.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:10
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:10
Sounds exactly like the beast we had to drive for Government purposes. Had to attend a 4wd course once as part of our requirements and the (very) old ex-army instructor made us drive ALL vehicles at 1800rpm, not one rev more or less. Had a good argument over that practice especially driving the 2.8, ending up with him trying to prove us wrong......suffice to say we had a good laugh at him stalling due to the lack of turbo boost.
From what i recall they were deadly trying to turning across a road
intersection...boost kicked in after we were across.
500km on a 90+sub
tank on a round trip to
Roma once. Thirsty sucker.
I believe it was one of the first single-light reversing setups as i recall our boss placing a complaint into nissan over this design and the dead stop lamps etc.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Mrbrush - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:25
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:25
Thanks Orejap,
Well I`m used to climbing hills in 1st low,
I own a 2.8 hilux.
Andrew , 500km on 90+sub = 120litres ?
Thats 24L/100kms ? What The !
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:34
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:34
Correct. Don't know what the problem was...just that we arrived at
Roma from
Toowoomba with around 1L spare (from our calculations).
It was one of the first ST's around our area IIRC which we eventually dumped for something more gutzy. Nice room in it with good
suspension setup, just that the engine was wrong for our requirements IMO.
Andrew
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Reply By: RJ5023 - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:18
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:18
Mrbrush,
No good for towing on sand.
No low down torque before the turbo kicks in = burnt clutch.
Had one for years and wouldn't recommend it for that purpose. As a long distance traveller it's hard to beat though, and will tow all day at 100kmh with no problems and good fuel economy. Brilliant handbrake, quiet and comfortable too.
cheers,
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Reply By: Member - John - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:52
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 08:52
Had one, good tourer, but with that many
miles, unless they are giving it away, forget it........................
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Follow Up By: Mrbrush - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:09
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:09
Gday John,
As I`ve never owned a patrol I have no Idea what would be a good deal.
But Its a 98` model ST going for around 15,500 Bullbar,alloys,roofrack.
cheers
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Reply By: Fab72 - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 09:37
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 09:37
A guy I work with has one of these and other than the lack of torque, as others have mentioned, the car is faultless.
The lack of torque can be overcome with plenty of revs, but ask yourself what has the vehicle been used for in the past? If it's been used as a tow vehicle, expect the clutch to be knackered. If it's done a lot of sand/off road driving, then the engine has covered a lot of revs to clock up that 250,000k's.
Look at the service history too.
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Follow Up By: Mrbrush - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 17:55
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 17:55
Thanks Fab,
Well I would`nt know what the vehilcle has been used for being sold by a dealer. And he could tell me anything ofcourse.
I guess I`ll have to take it for a run to find out how they go. After owning a 2.8d hilux it`s got to go better .
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - AJB (VIC) - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:06
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:06
How much $ ?
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Follow Up By: Mrbrush - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:28
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:28
Read followup reply 4.
Cheers
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Reply By: nickb - Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:36
Friday, Oct 09, 2009 at 18:36
The heads are notorious for failing 200,000-250,000km. That would be something to get checked by a mechanic as they are not cheap to repair.
Plenty of info here
Patrol Forum
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:35
Saturday, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:35
Had a 98 GU 2.8 from new and recently traded it on a D40 Navara 2.5 Auto. I did a shade under 300000km on the GU which included many trips into the
Vic High Country and 3 trips to
Cape York all towing my 1.4 tonne Kanga Campertrailer. Off the turbo it was a slug...but on turbo it would work all day with no problems at all.
Mine still had the original factory clutch in when sold and there was no shudder or slipping apparent. Early on I removed the auto hubs and fitted a set of AVM manual hubs...this allowed me to use low range on the bitumen/concrete so I didn't have to ride the clutch to overcome the low down torque problem.
Apart from routine servicing and adding bits and pieces it didn't cost be anything. I believe that the head gasket problem was mainly with the GQ 2.8 turbo.
Couple of things to keep and eye on though:
1. The Jesus nut on the harmonic balance pulley - check torque this every 20000km or so. Some have been known to come loose and wear the keyway...and a fix for this can be very expensive.
2. As the engine ages you can get blowby problem which will result in oil mist condensing in the turbo...and you will get a small leak. The fix for this is to install a catch can which I did myself for around $80 or the local diesel fitter quoted $250.
All in all it is a great car expecially for long distance touring. Frugal...I averaged 12.3 L/100km for the 300000km I had
mine which is much much MUCH MUCH better than I am getting thus far from my auto Navara which is averaging 14 L/100km.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:41
Saturday, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:41
Should've used the spell checker....."expecially" to "especially". And to clarify I only had to use low range when setting off on steep hills with the trailer.
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