HJ61 Issues

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 17:50
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Mornin' all,

Just bought a HJ61 'Cruiser with 12HT in it. Its in fairly good condition however there are a few issues that I'd like to address which I need some help with...

1) When its cold, the idle can be relatively rough, reminding me on occasions of a V8 with a lumpy cam. Would getting the injector pump timing fix this? I'm doing a full servicing crusade so all fluids and filters will be changed within the week.

2) I have a boost gauge fitted, however when it is idling it shows 0 boost. I understand it should be showing vacuum at idle, is this correct?

3) When the car turns off there is a sound in the exhaust that sounds like air/gas escaping, what is this? Is it a shagged gasket/piston ring?

4) The oil pressure gauge sits pretty high, about 3/4 of the way up, is this normal for these engines? it doesn't drop when the revs are down...

Any help would be appreciated, I've only got my petrol licence, new to this diesel caper...

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - Wamuranman - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:12

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:12
Hi,

Attached is Page 29 of my original Hj61 Owners manual in regards the correct oil pressure ranges (idling and normal driving):

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Reply By: Member - Josh (VIC) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:17

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:17
The 12 HT is turbo right. The noise in the exhaust would be the turbo spinning/winding down. My 80 series has a real sweet whistle as it spins down. This would be normal.

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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:25

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:25
1) possibly some dicky glow plugs meaning bad fuel burning although this shoud only be for a short time afer starting
- or the idle cod be set too low
2) they didt come out with a boost gauge - if itdidnt hae one fitted you would have no concern
3) dunno
4) these things are notorious for dicky gauges with age
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Follow Up By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:10

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:10
The 12-HT does not have glow plugs. There is only a glow coil on the air intake but it will not glow unless the ambient temperature is below 0deg.

The 12-HT came out in the GX station wagon and the dash has boost gauges - well green light red light fitted.


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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:37

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:37
I've checked the service manual recently and found that mine is meant to idle at 770rpm, it's sitting on 600rpm at the moment, but at 770rpm, idles a lot smoother and without the roughness. So i'll be setting my minimum idle speed to 770rpm this weekend. Hopefully this will solve this little problem.
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Reply By: Member - William H (WA) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 20:30

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 20:30
Where are you......are you in West Australia.
Cheers for now...William H...Bunbury...WA.
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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:40

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:40
Yeah mate, I'm in W.A.
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Reply By: GerryP - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:50

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:50
Hi Bandit,

Most of your questions have been answered, however, regarding point 2), diesels do not idle on vacuum (petrols do), so zero would be correct.

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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:05

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 12:05
Hi Gerry,

Thanks for that, the car has an aftermarket boost gauge fitted so I wasn't sure if the gauge was dicky or not.

I must say that I am pretty impressed by the performance of this engine, it chugs along quite happily on the freeway at good speeds for a car this size. I dare say it would've given my old 4.5ltr Patrol a kick in the pants.
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Reply By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 22:19

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 22:19
Hi Bandit

I have owned a 12-ht for years and they are a great bullet proof motor. I found mine liked to idle a bit high like 850 or 900 otherwise it sounded rough when cold.

You will hear the turbo spin down when you turn off the motor. Normal.

Your oil pressure is an issue. The 12-ht has two oil relief valves that can get a bit sticky over years. Easy fix. The first one is located at the front bottom of the motor. You can get to it from underneath. It is a plunger & a spring. Get some fine emery paper and remove the score marks off the plunger.

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The other one is on top of the oil filter. Bit harder to get the spring and plunger out but do the same. If this does not fix them you will need to replace the plungers.

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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:50

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 23:50
Thanks mate, I'll add this to the Service Assualt list for the weekend! Any other little tricks I should know about these motors?
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Follow Up By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:34

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 01:34
Another little trick

There is a coolant hose that is only 70mm long and goes between the pump and thermostat housing. If that splits it is a major issue to remove all the parts to replace it. The easy way is to put the new hose in boiling water and when it is soft and pliable just force it into the gap.

Make sure you don't run your fuel too low as the fuel pump uses the coolness of incoming fuel to keep it cool. The motor only uses about 20% of the fuel pumped up and the rest is sent back to the fuel tank and recycled. If you run your fuel really low then you are running hot fuel through the pump.

Get yourself the diaphragm on the back of the fuel pump for a spare part - these can split as happened to a mate of mine and then - no go.

I had a turbo timer on mine - just to cool down the turbo after trips. The turbo uses oil from the motor to cool down so if after a long hard run you just shut it off it can crack a turbo. $$$$$$$$$$$

Love the motor - no glow plugs, no computer, over engineered everything, tough as, simple as - should go 1,000,000 km.

I changed oil very 3 months.

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Follow Up By: Welldone WA - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:32

Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 04:32
Hi Banditfj
I've owned one of these motors for five years now, added 100K to the clock, and I smile inwardly every time I drive it.The 12HT motor is one of the best that Toyota have made and should give you plenty of years of reliable motoring.
Here's a few extra tips:-
1/ When changing the air filter always unclamp and detach the rubber hose from the top of the air cleaner, don't be tempted to leave it attached and bend it out the way when replacing the filter as the hose will split [it has different diametre ends] and it costs a lot more than $100 from Toyota to replace.
2/ Use the Toyota genuine oilfilters , they have a extra fine bypass filter built in.
3/When replacing the coolant ,flush then use a 50/50 mix of Toyota "Longlife" coolant and distilled water and change every 2 years.
4/If you cruiser is an automatic, install a transmission fluid cooler , especially if you do a lot of towing.
5/If you cruiser is a Jap import[24 volt] replace the "Japanese conditions" thermostat with the cooler running "Australian conditions" one.
6/Oil change every 5000km[I always change the filter at the same time], dump the oil within a minute of turning off the hot engine, while all the sludge is still in suspension and let it drain overnight. Pre-fill the new oil filter before spinning it on the motor, that way the oil pressure comes to normal much quicker.
7/ Consider adding CAV fuel-filter with a water-trap, this greatly extends the life of your regular fuel-filters and is a bit more protection for your pump and injecters.

Enjoy Your Purchase

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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:37

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:37
Hi Welldone,

Thanks for the info mate, greatly appreciated.

With regards to the thermostat, what are the aus ones meant to open at? 82ºC? I'll get to it this weekend.

Cheers!

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Follow Up By: Welldone WA - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 17:16

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 17:16
Hi Bandit
The temperature is stamped of the thermostat:-
Japanese........88ºC
Australian.......82ºC
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Reply By: Member - Kevin B1 (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:20

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:20
I assume that considering the age of the engine it would be getting up a bit in Kms. Take it to a diesel fuel injection specialist and have them look at it, an injector service works wonders. It may cost a few bucks but the increase in power and decrease in fuel consumption will be well worth it.
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Follow Up By: Banditfj - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:59

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:59
Alrighty I'll look into that Kevin. She's got 249,000km's on the clock and I plan on keeping her for a while yet, so I want to get everything running hunky dorey straight up.

Any good diesel specialists in Perth?

My mate takes his 100 series to Freo Injection but i'm not sure if they'd work on me old dinosaur. I'd preferably like to take it to someone who has good knowledge about these motors so I can rest assured everything is done right.
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Follow Up By: Rolly - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 20:32

Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 20:32
Less than 250,000 Kms.??

The plurry thing is only just run in !!!!!!!
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