Caravan Crash contributing factors anyone?

Submitted: Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:00
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I cant really pinpoint the contributing factors to the Caravan Crash in the video below.

Caravan Crash

My apologies if this has recently been discussed in this forum.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:11

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:11
Not hard is it Vastly underpowered car towing van far in excess of cars capabilities.
And yes seen it before along with several others on youtube.



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Reply By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:13

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:13
Hi kingswoodwagon,
I think it may have been posted a while back, but hey.
I think their up for a a Darwin Award. :)

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Reply By: Tenpounder (SA) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:16

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 18:16
Hi there. Here's a checklist of likely factors:
1 Small FWD vehicle designed for well under 1 tonne towing and 50 kg towball load, trying to tow a van weighing 2.5 tonnes and towball mass of 180kg.
2 As a result, too little traction on the front (driving) wheels.
3 No effective brakes, as shown by the inability to slow backwards progress down the hill (probably no trailer brakes and little effective braking from the front wheels of the tow vehicle (again, too little traction).
4 Wet road.
5 significant absence of brains on the part of the driver.
6 Overheated engine and (probably) transmssion too.

How's that for starters??
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:41

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:41
Most of these features you mention Tenpounder you can find in any caravan park in this country today.
1. Too much towball weight. Reduces steering & braking ability
2 & 3. No effective brakes. Overloaded vehicles with the wrong trim coupled to overloaded vans with incorectly adjusted brakes. I met a bloke that didn't even have his electric brakes on a tandem caravan wired.
4. I was overtaken doing 90kph by a cruiser towing a van in the rain between Winton & Hughenden recently. The car was trimmed to ride flat but the towball height was about 4 to 5 inches too high for the van. I would say he had his airbags cranked up to compensate for an overloaded vehicle. God knows what his towball weight was & his braking ability would have been scarey.
5 significant absence of brains on the part of the driver. (I just coppied that)
6 Modern Australian cars have excellent cooling systems & you rarely see overheated engines.
The cars are good but there safe working ability is poorley judged in Australia.
I am amazed at the number of people who should be driving LR & MR vehicles that tow vans.
If the scaleys start putting vans over the scales there will be a lot of caravan parks suffer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:57

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 21:57
I'll second the above in spades.

I cant believe what some weights people have in vans.

Was beside a guy two weeks ago with a big offroad van which I know are heavy.

Asked him what did it weigh laoded about 3700kg or a bit more was the reply.
He as towing it with a Cruiser so he was not only over towing weight but the ball weight would have been over as well.

There seems to be four types of vanners.

Those who watch the weight and do the right thing.

Those who dont know whats correct.

Those who dont care.

Those who do know and say stuff it I will do what I want regardless.

Hope I dont run into any of the last three on my travels.

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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 19:43

Sunday, Oct 11, 2009 at 19:43
Really?

Wouldn't stupidity have contributed to the problem?

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Reply By: OREJAP - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 00:02

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 00:02
Had a friend with a 2004 T/D Cruiser with all the goodies towing a van I cannot recall the make but it was a top of the line model with the works I believe it was a "grange" Anyway stopped at C/van park & complained to a fellow traveller that his cruiser was sluggish & using a "Lot" of diesel. He decided to have the L/cruiser serviced with emphasis on the lack of performance. Toyota dealer had it all day and could not find any fault with the vehicle what so ever. My friend parted the dealership after handing over a bit of pocket money and later repeated his woes to the C/van park owner over a couple cold "frothy ones" The next day they hooked up the van and on the insistance of the c/van park owner drove to a local weigh bridge. They weighed both the van & the cruiser. The operator came out of his little office with a big smile & said to my friend. "You Sir have won first prize. That is the heaviest van & vehicle combination I have ever weighed....6.4 tonne" On arriving back at the park my friend unloaded the numerous boxes of wine his wife had bought at various places during the trip & had packed under the bed, heaps of glossy magazine & many other items. I am repeating a story related to me by a close friend of ours who heard it direct from the Landcruiser & Grange owner.
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Follow Up By: stumbly - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 07:53

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 07:53
Hi orejap,

it is actually suprising how much those glossy mags weigh. Grab 1/2 a dozen and chuck them on the scales.....I think they may be so heavy because of the amount of s--t that is printed in most of them!

Cheers, Keith

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Follow Up By: Fatso - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:09

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:09
How about the ones we met that left home with 30 (yes that is thirty) 4 litre casks of wine in their van because that is what they estimated they would consume on their trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roger B (VIC) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:47

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:47
Every country town sells just about the same beer/wine/spirits as the city stores. Price difference is minimal. Certainly no more than the extra fuel used carrying it.30 casks take up a lot of room, even in the biggest'van. We always' buy where we are.'
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Reply By: Curlynan - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 18:40

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 18:40
All I can say is the person towing a van (or anything at all) with that vehicle is a brainless TOSSER !!!
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Reply By: PradOz - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 23:10

Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 23:10
Hence my thoughts to 'DuncanDonuts' re his thread 72828 where he says:

"For those of you who know the road to the central coast I managed no less than 90kmh at the top of mooney mooney hill heading north and 100-110kmh on the hill up from the hawkesbury river heading back to the city" all this when "Towing Jayco camper Trailer with 2008 Subaru Forester"

A recipe for disaster at some time I would have thought. Anyway, I just hope if it happens I am not on the same stretch of road....
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Reply By: Member - Richard H (NSW) - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:28

Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 09:28
A number of years ago we had some friends call in on their way home after being over in W.A.

Their rig was parked out in the street, and at the vehicle / caravan connecting (tow ball) point there was a very definite 'V'.

Asked why? They had the floor of the van covered in boxes of Margaret River grog. He was very surprised to find that the local Liquorland sold it for less than he purchased it at the point of sale, and when he worked out how much extra fuel he used in giving this stuff a holiday, started to drink the same.

Of course, being a good host, I was obliged to assist in this endeavour.

I still wonder how he managed to steer the vehicle.
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