Snake bites.
Submitted: Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:30
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Member - Lionel A (WA)
Goodmornin' All.
I'm sure some would be aware of this and some as myself, not so.
My brother, who works at a hospital in the NW and his mate, who is a snake-handler recently hit the big smoke for a weeks R&R.
Naturally one of our many conversations related to snakes and their bites.
All snakes would prefer to put some distance between us and themselves, however, if provoked, annoyed or cornered, will strike. The snake see's us as far too large to eat and in nearly all cases will try and warn us off with a bite but will not use it's venom. The venom is always used when hunting tucker.
My brother seemed to confirm this as he has treated over 100 snake bite victims, some who have been struck by extremely venomous snakes and only had to resort to using anti-venoms on 3 occassions.
Most of the treatments are to do with possible infections of the bite area.
I find snakes to be very interesting creatures, however, do not intend to put this theory/fact to the test.
I will still keep an eye out for them, will respect them and watch them from a safe distance.
Just thought others may find this interesting as the warmer weather approaches.
Cheers......Lionel.
Reply By: oz doc - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:57
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 09:57
Hi Lionel, if this is true, I wonder why I see so many evenomations in dogs and cats. Ok I can accept that a snake might think a cat was small enough to eat but a dog? Maybe they just anatagonise the snakes too much so they have to resort to using their venom. Still, I have seen many an evenomation from a dog just walking by the snake and not actually attacking it. Maybe it is also to do with the type of snake involved. Tiger snakes can be quite aggressive and 'proactive'. Cheers, doc.
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:16
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:16
Snakes have a fairly broad assessment of what is a threat.
I slowed down to look at one on the road recently and from 3 metres away it looked like it was getting ready to stike.
My dog likes to get up close and personal to goannas and bark,if it was a snake she would get bitten for sure
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:10
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:10
thats easy a dog goes straight in with the teeth and isnt deterred by feighning or bunting or dry strikes like a human - same goes with cats
insnake handling courses the snake usually starts withmock strikes and
bluff but after you keepstirring it up they full strike leaving venom on the bag
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Reply By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:10
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:10
Saw an eastern brown on the old mans farm (Golbourn) about 4 weeks ago, accidently ran over it on a motorbike and was astounded, but thankful It did not launch an attack.
I made my two kids come and have a look (at a distance) to reinforce the fact that they are always there and they must always be aware, because like myself running over it you get complacent.
Eastern browns have really bad eyesight so they will only strike on movement. I make it a habit of trying to make my kids very snake aware by asking them to freeze at different times when we are in the bush, a brown will sliver right over your foot "If you do not move" and will not attack.
If you are in an area with a high
population of rodents you are guaranteed there will be plenty of snakes.
The most interesting thing is a large majority of snake bites occur due to the person trying to kill them!!!
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:54
Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 08:54
I'll 2nd the theory with brown snakes avoiding humans.
About this time last year I was riding my trailbike up Toolangi and following my mate we came across a large tree fallen across the track. I stopped and put my foot down watching my mate try and get around it, then I saw something move and sure enough it was a good sized brown right next to my left boot.
It just slithered away!
It scared the you know what out of me!
For the rest of the day every fallen stick on the track seemed like a snake to me. However on the way back to the cars crossing a single lane wooden bridge was a tiger snake that got a fright and jumped off the edge into the
creek!
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Reply By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:01
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:01
Jeez, thats interesting. How do they know if the snake has injected venom or not though? I thought they used anti venom just incase on all bites, mainly because I thought that all bites contained venom. I hope i never have to find out.
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Follow Up By: DaveNQ1 - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:13
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:13
Kroozer,
A lot of people actually have a reaction to the anti venom itself, so a casualtys condition is monitored and the anti venom is only used if their condition deteriorates to a certain level.
Cheers
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:59
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:59
Kroozer
My mates daughter was biten by a tiger snake 3 strikes, taken to hosoital and no anti vermon was given she was just monitored. One strike did contain venom as she now has permanent sight deterioration muscle problems and joint prodlems all long term side affects from the bite.All this happened about 5 years ago and she has just got her car licence back with special conditions. Apparently she would still have these problems even if she was given anti venom but maybe not quite as bad
cheers Murray
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Reply By: Mike Taylor - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:34
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:34
Hi Lionel,
I have also heard that most snakes make a dry bite. However the Brown snake doesn't.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:12
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:12
that includes the dugite, gwardar, and tiger
they will use their venom and is unusual for them not to i too am a snake buster in my spare time around
perth
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Reply By: robertbruce - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:07
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:07
When in the bush some people carry thier keys or thier wallet. I carry a tourniquet. I would feel naked without it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gary W (NSW) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:35
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 15:35
Robertbruce,
The use of a tourniquet has been actively discouraged for many years now. You should be carrying a compression bandage.
Gary.
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Follow Up By: furph - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 19:29
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 19:29
Sorry folks, but spending 3-4 months of the year in W.Qld. I find the 12g. works the best.
For whatever reason we always seem end up with a decent size Mulga somewhere about the
camp.
We keep our garbage down to a minimum, (no mice etc.) have a dog (which we treasure, she is our "early warning" system) but always seem to end up with one around.
But what is interesting to us is that 15yrs. ago there were snakes of many varieties about. Because we dig holes in the ground we often found remains of the fierce snake (inland taipan?) and (immature?) browns hit by the excavator.
However, (the interesting part) is that we now very seldom see snakes at all (except the one which wants to adopt our
camp!) and I believe this is very much to do with available food and a certain predator.
We have also noticed less and less bird life, and it is probably easily guessed that the proliferation of ferel cats is all to do with this. Even the W. Bower bird has taken to mimicking cat calls! And these same ferel cats I believe are also the predator killing immature snakes.
Once, in the early morning before the breeze got up you could see all the footprints of the tiny nocturnal creatures in the yesterdays dust. Now all you see are cat paw marks.
And the 12g. comes in very useful there too.
And no, I certainly would not kill or harm any snake without reason.
furph
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:34
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:34
furph wrote :
"Sorry folks, but spending 3-4 months of the year in W.Qld. I find the 12g. works the best"
and then
"However, (the interesting part) is that we now very seldom see snakes at all"
Im not sure its the cats that are the danger to wildlife when you hit the bush
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Reply By: get outmore - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:13
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 17:13
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:32
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 21:32
sorry that should be
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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:00
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:00
Nice shot Davoe, hope that was with a tele-photo lens.
If not, your a crazy bugger.
Ever tried driving while looking through binoculars.......unsettling to say the least.
Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:01
Monday, Oct 12, 2009 at 22:01
Thats close enough for ME!!!!
It's nearly as bad as this one.
Richard
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 00:36
Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 00:36
Travelin OZ
Your oly 1/2 right
Its a Mulga I came accross it in the Francis
peron NP
Shark Bay in the middle of the road. i jumped out for a few snaps before it took off
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 00:43
Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009 at 00:43
Good breeding ground for them up there!
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Reply By: farmer112 - Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:43
Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 03:43
G'day,
as I frequently travel the better parts of the beautiful Australian outback where you can't rely on fast medical assistance, I have purchased Snakeguardz some two years ago:
www.snakeguardz.com
Watch their video, this really convinced me. Of course I still keep my eyes open for snakes, but this stuff gives me that small extra feeling of safety. Especially if you are travelling narrow and remote tracks with lots of high spinnifex along them (perfect snake environment). You can never tell in advance where you have to stop your car for changing a flat tyre. I felt awfully uncomfy in this kind of situation before I had these snakeguardz... ;-)
I always carry an advanced medical kit on my outback tours as
well, as I am a medic first responder in the volunteer fire brigade. This medical kit includes pressure bandages of course.
I guess that these snakeguardz are a good idea, especially if you come along a Death Adder, which will not leave. It will just stay invisible in that grass and wait to bite you into your ankle. If this happens with snakeguardz, the bl..dy snake will have to see the doctor and not you.
Cheers from bl..dy boring Dortmund/Germany,
Juergen
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:45
Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:45
thats pretty much like a gator which are worn to walk through spinifex.
fear not however I had a job where upto 8 people would be walking through spinifex in the pilbarra all day either mappng or soil sampling. The occasional Death adder was spotted no one had any issues. The problem youhave is getting them to sit still long enouh for a photo. Snakesare very elusive on there
home turf and have gone before you knew they were there
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