Fuel consumption with bigger tyres

Submitted: Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 15:37
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Gday all,

My old man and I both have 4.8 Patrols mine being an 06 and his an 02 & he always seems to average around 19 - 20lts per 100km, mine always around 25/100, the only real difference is he runs standard tyres and I run 33"s. I expect a difference because of the tyres but he is grabbing another 100kms or more out of his main tank in comparison to me.
Ive never bothered working out the speed difference but does this seem right?

Just wondering If anyone takes into account there tyre sizes when working out litres per 100.

Cheers

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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:05

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:05
Hi Ingo

To maintain high accuracy I measure my GU 4800's 16.5lt/100km long term average against the GPS which shows an odometer correction factor is required.

for my 265/75/16 wheel set the oddmeter is correct

for my 235/85/16 wheel set oddometer reads 1% low

for my 255/85/16 Coppers odometer reads 4.0% low (they are almost worn out).

for my 255/85/16 Bighorn near new mud terrain wheel set the odometer is 5% low

Minor corrections also occur when tyres are at low pressure but GPS trip meter corrects for this.

The above is in close agreement with what you would expect.
I.E. the diference between 32/33in tyres is that 33in read about 3% low on odometer
which has no relationship to speedo readings.

P.S Lumpy tyres use a lot more fuel , espically if not at high pressures (40+)
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Follow Up By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:35

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:35
Hi Robin,

I know when we go to his farm 180kms odd each way we end up with a different speedo reading, but Im buggered If I can remember the difference.
I have always just accepted the 25/100 but I guess I will have to measure next tank with the GPS to get a dead accurate figure, will be Interesting for I've never worked it out that way, always off the odometer!

Cheers

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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:34

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:34
How about a swap.
Go a tank full and swap your old mans patrol wheels and tyres to see if the same thing happens on his vehicle.
You then have a chance to see yourself if its tyres or some other issue.
Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:48

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:48
The old man has a bad back so he fitted a set of Recaro's in his GU.
I run some refurbished Scheel seats that they use to fit in the Brock Commodore specials, but you couldn't pry him away from his Recaro's for a week LOL.




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Follow Up By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:57

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:57
Ooops!

Swap tyres not car.... sorry Shane I miss read your reply on that one.


Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Tonyb (FNQ) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:35

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:35
Ingo57 - You need a petrol station towed behind your car - That's a lot of fuel :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:42

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:42
Yeah she's a thirsty beast.....but its great fun to drive, never short of horses !!


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Follow Up By: mazcan barry - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 20:00

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 20:00
hi
aaah there"s a good clue Ingo57 have read all the threads above

i would just about put money on the fact after reading your last thread that your father drives and uses the the throttle in a much less agressive way than you do

and believe me that can make a huge difference in fuel consumption between to drivers the old buck and the young towey buck - betcha !
that's got a lot to do with it

now change swap the wheels as suggested and see what happens but drive in your normal way no cheating
seen it many times cheers
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Follow Up By: mikehzz - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 20:31

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 20:31
Roof racks make a noticeable difference as well. Does he have racks?
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Follow Up By: pling - Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 22:17

Wednesday, Oct 14, 2009 at 22:17
The "old man" does not have roof rack on like son! But does use the throttle as heavy as the son and cruise control more, regardless which gear and revs the "cruise" selects.
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:05

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 08:05
Ingo57

Running 265/70R16 Duellers, then 285/75R16 Duellers, then 285/75R16 MTR's and then 285/75R16 MT MTZ's all on a 03 Patrol 3.0L diesel, I found that bigger tyres once you had corrected for the effect bigger tyres had on the odometer had no effect on fuel consumption. More aggressive tread types did however increase fuel consumption, although most of my driving is on the highway, rather than stop-start driving around town.

Snowy
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:34

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:34
Have you had your truck on the Dyno? I used to have really high fuel consumption and after a dyno tune they found the MAF sensor was faulty. After a good tune and new sensor I was getting much better fuel consumption. I only have the 4.5 though
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Follow Up By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:22

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:22
No Haven't run it on a dyno Troll. Think I will do another measure but with the GPS this time but point taken, I will be happy If I get it near the old bucks 20/100 LOL.
Ive given the Patrol a hair cut as well (took the roof rack off) but I wouldn't expect that much of a difference around town maybe on the freeway.
Just curious what's your consumption in the 4.5?? Manual or Auto?
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46
It's manual and I get on the highway anything between 630-650 out of 115L I have a roof rack as well. Around town I get around the 550km's
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