Van Shock Absorbers

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:32
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Hi all. We have a 16' single axle van and SWMBO is quite keen on having shock absorbers installed. We are pretty much black top travellers leaving the van and taking the tent when we really head bush. I'm not sure if the benefits would be worth the cost. Any comments?
Thanks
John
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Reply By: Tenpounder (SA) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:12

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:12
Hi there, John. I'll be interested to read the comments of others. We have a single axle 17'6" Coromal, and so the suspension design may may the answer different in our case. At first glance, it seems insane not to fit them, given that it could not add more than a couple of hundred dollars to the cost of the van.

Issues as they appear to me are:
What benefits may there be in terms of the stresses on the structure with and without shockers? Our van is 20 years old, and is still structurally intact apart from a bit of rear end sag (this is the van I am talking about!) which shockers would not have helped. I have to go around the van and tighten up self tappers from time to time, but that's about all.
What advantages are there for the contents of the van from fitting shockers? I have to say that we have suffered more from cupboard doors left open (and that includes the fridge, just once!) than from vibration etc. We have not had a broken glass, or a broken egg due to vibration.
So I have to ask, although it seems plain common sense to fit shockers, just how much dowe suffer without them?
I'd be interested in you partner's reasons to fancy a set of shockers.
Regards
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Follow Up By: westskip - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:42
Hi Chris
SWMBO is more concerned with tyre life. Our van is 9 years old and we have done well over 60,000km but we've had 3 tyres delaminate which is a bit much we feel. The first one to go was definitely due to age (putting on an unused 6 y.o. tyre) but the others there seems to be no answer other than shock absorbers or increased tyre pressure. Tyre pressure will now be run ar 60 psi with Bridgestone LT's and I'll just have to check the increase in pressure when travelling.
Structurally I can see no benefit in our case for fitting shock absorbers. As I've said we've done a fair amount of travelling and did a laser alignment on the chassis just the other day and it is still perfect. Like you we've had no breakages whatsoever due to vibration etc , breakages only occur when a cupboard door is left unlocked.
Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: Tenpounder (SA) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:57

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:57
Thanks, John. My experience is also one tyre wrecked, probably through old age, and nothing since in 6 years and 40,000 km, all on LT tyres, at around 40psi. The Coromal system seems to cause tyre wear on one shoulder, and we replace tyres at 5 years or a bit more, and turn tyres on the rims during that time also.
I cannot see how shock absorbers (ie, acting between the axle and the chassis) would have much impact on the impact stresses on tyres (ie the tyre would surely cop the load before the shock absorber does anything?). Rough shoulders on the road are an obvious problem.
Hearing your description, I would add a check on each wheel loading (how much weight on each wheel, measured separately) if that hasn't been done.
But I doubt that 60 psi would do much good to either the tyres or the van.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:47

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:47
John,

The reasons for fitting shocks will more than likely not be solved by the fitment of shocks. Like Chris has said, I would most certainly be looking at weight factors as well as tyre choice. I had plenty of trouble with tyres in the beginning with our Supreme Getaway but after a few choices proving their worthlessness we come across the correct tyre for the job. Since then the same tyre has been used 3 consecutive times with about 80000km from each set. All up my van has somewhere between 250-300 thousand k's on the axle.

Are you using new tyres? What is the tyre's load index and at what pressure? What is the load on each tyre from your van? Are these the tyres supplied by the van manufacturer from new? (and if so what is the manufacturer saying about the tyre problems?) If it is not the manufacturer's tyre choice, maybe ask their opinion of tyre choice but still answer the above questions for yourself and see if their choice fits the answers.

If your van has 15" rims, I used firestone cv3000 225 70 15's which have a very high load index for thier size and found them to be very suitable for my heavy, single axle van. I now have 16" rims on this van and am using B/stone Duelers 694LT 10 ply in the 265 75 size but have not done enough k's on these to give reasonable or accurate feedback but the first 6000km on some ordinary dirt roads have been very positive in my opinion.

Hope some of this helps.
Regards, Trevor.
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Reply By: Kiwi100 - Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 20:22

Thursday, Oct 15, 2009 at 20:22
Maybe the obvious question is, why not remove the shockers from your tow vehicle and save a bit of weight? If the roads that you travel are suitably smooth, can there be any disadvantage?

With tongue firmly in cheek ;-)

Michael
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Reply By: Fatso - Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 13:28

Friday, Oct 16, 2009 at 13:28
I have seen a neighbour go to a suspension place & have shockies fitted to a camper trailer he had because he liked the suspension on a trailer i built. My trailer had Hilux 2wd ute rears that were set to match the trailer & load, Hilux front bump stops & shockies matched for travel & load.
The neighbour had short cheap trailer springs with some random shockie & no bump stop to limit upward travel. The travel in these springs was non existent anyway. It was a complete waste of money.
Most vans & cheap trailers are fitted with a set of springs that do not flex. If they do they will probably break. They tend to be very short.
If you want shockies you are best to fit springs, or at least check if you have suitable springs, that allow for travel to start with & get shockies to match.
If you have leaf springs on your car take a look under it & compare that to your van. Your car springs will be about 4 foot long & your van springs probably no more than 18 inches.
Most of the suspension work on most vans is done by the tyres.
There are exceptions out there. Some of the offroad vans with coil springs have incredible suspension.
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