Eletronic rust prevention

Submitted: Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 19:06
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A workmate has just bought a 2006 patrol and wants to go beach fishing on Noosa north shore and Fraser Island and is asking is it worth investing in a electronic rust prevention.
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Reply By: Rockape - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 19:40

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 19:40
Carl,
Lots of people say they don't and can't work, most of them have never had one or they have skimped and not installed it properly.

Can vouch for mine, EPRS system and the vehicle is 20 yrs old, paint looks like new and it has no rust.

Had an underground machine that was 2 yrs old with no rust, the wires on the electronic unit were broken, they knew they were stuffed, but as always nothing was done, it was interesting to see how quickly the machine went downhill rust wise.

Many minng companies and councils use them.

Have a good one.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:21

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 20:21
Most people say they don't work because research suggests that they don't. Other say that they do because they have fitted one... haven't got much rust ... and feel silly if it was just because they kept thier vehicle clean.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:23

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:23
Hi Carl

Tell him to make sure he washes thoroughly including underneath & polishes a soon as possible after every trip.
I am sure he like many who have bought a EPRS will find little rust
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:30

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:30
Hi Royce

My prado is 10 years old, black in colour and looks brand new. Yes it has one fitted and no I dont:

"feel silly if it was just because they kept thier vehicle clean"

because my poor car has only had about 6 washes since early 2006 when I suffered a spinal injury that required me to undergo spinal surgery a year ago. It also doesnt have any rust despite having spent time 4wding on the beach.

My research suggests those that knock them never had one or had one fitted correctly, OR had the wrong type fitted. Yes there is a wrong type, one that is for objects permanently in water - suggest you look into it and then use your new found knowledge to educate the world (and yourself).

Now to start the tyre debate: are Coopers any good HAHAHA

To CARLJ - get the correct type as suggested in one of the other replies - ERPS.
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 23:33

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 23:33
"research"??

I just 'looked into it" again. The only people supporting it are people who sell or are convinced to buy. Other more objective reports are no where near as supportive.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 23:48

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 23:48
Hi
I was a little tongue in cheek with my earlier post
But The FACTS are they do not & can not work on a vehicle
Any one who has a basic understanding of impressed voltage corrosion systems [ as used in industry etc] will understand
The principles are correct, but it simply cannot be applied to a vehicle by means of wires to parts of the body or small plates attached to various parts'
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:36

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:36
can I ask you, as some one who has no basic understanding of impressed voltage corrosion systems, to elaborate ..... ??

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 20:52

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 20:52
Hi Mainy
I used the term of impressed voltage to make it easier to understand.
Most corrosion protections use consumable anodes of zinc, magnesium lor even aluminium .
The surface being protected is the cathode
The system is called "cathodic protection"
This is the system used in hot water systems ,it is also used to protect underground metals & metals in water[salt & fresh]

By impressed voltage I mean the system were you actually apply a carefully controlled voltage resulting a small current flow via a non consumable material [ stainless steel can be used in many cases] to perform similar to consumable anodes .It is still referred as "cathodic protection"
In some situations .[very corrosive liquids in steel tanks] it requires the tank becoming the anode & the impressed voltage system is use it is then referred as "anodic protection"

All these systems require for there to be a conducting material {Electrolyte]between anode & cathode for the curreent to flow INTO/OUT OF THE SURFACE of the material to be protected.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:39

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 21:39
Installed one of those $117 models in a 1996 Commondoor in 2003 and it was rust free when i installed it.

We lived on Bribie Island right on the water and one of the boot braces inside the corner had rust around it within 18 months.

Was all installed very carefully according to instructions.

A waste of money in my case.


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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:15

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:15
My Parents have lived on Bribie for 22 years. The have had the same old Subaru for that period. It is completely rust free. It does not have a electronic rust preventer in it.


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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 22:54

Monday, Oct 19, 2009 at 22:54
My Troopy is 8 years old and has launched my boat off the coast many,many times so has seen a fair bit of saltwater but has no rust.Ido wash it as soon as possible but as far as I am conscerned don't waste your money.
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:10

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 09:10
I had an ex coal mines troopie with less rust and no rust prevention system fitted than the 105 series that I just sold with an erps and spray on goop from new fitted. Rust everywhere, and severe including chassis.

Would I waste the dough....nope.

Aparently there are a few different systems and the ones that put a positive charge thru the body actually promote rust whereas the systems that put a negative current thru the vehicle can reduce the severity of rust.

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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:04

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 21:04
Hi Dave

Yes even with impressed voltage the polarity must be correct..
If you look @your vehicle earth system just think of all the diferent currents flowing along that metal . Why would adding a little more make any differance.
But the real point is current flowing along the metal does not protect , it has to flow into the surface.
If you put a plate over an area & apply a controlled voltage /current the area UNDER the plate will be protected , but that is all.
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Reply By: Russ n Sue - Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 22:41

Tuesday, Oct 20, 2009 at 22:41
I have a forty year old car. It has an ERPS fitted. I park it in a lake, with the water right over the roof. In this way, the ERPS can actually work as it has a medium (the lake water) through which the current can flow in order to impress into the body panels.

I had to modify the battery though, because the negative pole of the battery needs to be between 0.85 Volts and 1.1 Volts more negative than the body panels. It only took a minor engineering miracle to achieve this, but it was worth it.

Now the car is fully protected, as long as it is parked in the lake. I can only drive it around for a short while though, because the ERPS doesn't work once the water has dried.

Needless to say, the car is completely rust free.

After the success I've had with ERPS I'm considering fitting Hi-clones and water injection to improve fuel economy on those occasions that I dare to take the car out of the lake.

Cheers

Russ
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