"Toyota Klugar"

Submitted: Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 13:49
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Hi, I was wondering what opinions are of the latest model Toyota Klugar.
I have been waiting for the new Mitsubishi Challenger to be released out here, but hubby mentioned looking at what was already on the market to take advantage of the 50% business tax incentive.
So far the Klugar is the only replacement that I vaguely like. We will be towing a Jayco Flamingo with it, doing some dirt tracks, but nothing seriously off road.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Michelle

P.S I did a search and the only relevant information dated back to 2005.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 14:49

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 14:49
You will probably find it is very similar to a Toyota Kluger. :)
Do a search on that, you may find more info.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:44

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:44
Thanks for your opinion. :)
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Follow Up By: Ozbod - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:49

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:49
Ouch! <:o)


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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 15:38

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 15:38
flashcher

Google is truely your friend

Kluger Review # 1 Click here

Kluger review # 2 Click here

Kluger review # 3 click here

Now its your turn..... :)
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:54

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:54
Thank you for those links Tony. The third one was especially useful with advice and information on towing caravans.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 15:53

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 15:53
Depends what you are looking for in that size and range.

Sounds like the Toyota kluger is the only one you like, out of the Mitsubishi outlander, suzuki grand vitara, Hyundai santa fe, nissan pathfinder.

Latest model seems to be a little better than the older model, but haven't driven it yet.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:58

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 16:58
Thanks John. As you suggest I am not really fussed on any of the others that you mentioned. One of the sticking points with the Challenger that has been carried forward into the Outlander is the narrow width of the vehicle. Hubby has complain once or twice about feeling squashed in, so would like to solve that problem with the next car.
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:42

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 17:42
If all he's worried about is feeling "Squashed In" then buy an F series Ford.
He won't be squashed in then.

Seriously the Kluger is based on the Camry frame (not chassis) and primary drive is to front wheels.

Towing capacity is not huge either.

IMHO the only things going for it are the Toyota name and Toyota reliability.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:38

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 19:38
Thanks for that Disco. I am finding it hard to find a vehicle that I like, as I am the main driver, and that ticks all the boxes.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:20

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:20
HAve a close look at fuel consumption when towing

I believe like most petrols its not great.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:18

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:18
Thanks Graham. That is what I am trying to flush out from people who own one and have first hand experience. I can always ask the car salesman, but as he probably has only driven it around the block it might just be a guess that I get back.
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:19

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 20:19
Hi Michelle. Although I am a Toyota owner(120 Prado) I recomend you have a look at the latest Hyundai Santa Fe CRD. The short drive I had of one after servicing it for a customer I was very impressed both with design, build quality and driveability. The owner had just completed 15000Klms towing a 16ft Windsor van and averaged 15l/100K. It is an auto, he has just turned Eighty and had a very comfortable trip. Regards,Bob.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:11

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:11
Thanks Bob. I have had a look at the spec's online and will go and see how it shapes up on the weekend.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon NT - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:37

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 21:37
Sorry I just have to add the Toyota "ADD". "Where you take it is up to you" I always thought, what a disclaimer, I.E don't phone us when you get stuck or it chits itself. :) Sorry not very helpfull I know. On a serious note, good on you for knowing it is a soft roader.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:15

Thursday, Oct 22, 2009 at 22:15
I get what you mean about the after sales service. I wonder who thinks up their ad's.
I grew up with the old Series II Land Rovers and still remember some of the great places we went as kids. I don't have the nerve to do that now, so it would be a waste to get a vehicle that deserved more hard work than what I was willing to give it.
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Reply By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:05

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:05
Flascher,

The Kluger is an AWD family wagon, commonly known as a 'soft roader'. It is the same mold as the Mazda CX7 or CX9, Ford Territory, Holden Captiva and, if you want to spend a bit more money, a BMW X3 or X5, Audi Q5 or Q7, Mercedes ML320/350, the list goes on and all depends on budget and personal taste but not one of the above are true off roaders.

The Pathfinder, Santa Fe, Grand Vitara and Challenger (and of course all the biggies, Landcruiser, Prado, Pajero, Patrol, Discovery) are all far more capable off roaders than the Kluger and those others I mentioned.

If I were looking to do what you say, I would look at the Pajero or Prado.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:16

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 07:16
And, I meant to add that, if you are serious about going the soft roader approach, then, take a good look at the Mazda CX9. Great looking in my opinion and just as capable on or off road as the Kluger. And its a 7 seater standard I believe.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:13

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:13
Thanks Don I will have a look at the spec's for the CX9.
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Reply By: ss--ss - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 17:45

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 17:45
I've had a 2005 awd territory & did 5000klm towing a jayco flamigo around, was ok until the transmission hose in the raditor blew & caused $4000 damage (out of warranty) . Traded it in on a 2009 AWD Kluger & never looked back.. Very nice to drive & can see quality in the build much more than the territory.. Should be no problem towing a camper trailer & more fuel efficient. But if your going to use it for serious 4x4 then go the landcruiser, patrol , pajero direction.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:11

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:11
Hi SS, how have you found the fuel economy when towing?
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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:36

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:36
Haven't actually towed with the kluger yet but looking at the next post doesn't seem too promising ! However with a camper trailer I don't it would be that bad as the CT roof is lower than the vehicle roof
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 21:59

Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 21:59
Yes that fuel economy seems to be a bit of a worry. From my understanding of the post he was towing a camper trailer at the time.
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Reply By: funnyfarm - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 20:09

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 20:09
Michelle

I have now put 70,000km on the clock of the latest model Kluger with my latest adventure travelling the Bourke Outback Trek towing a camper trailer weighing a bit over 1 tonne. The trek went from Bourke, through Cameron Corner, down the Strezlecki Track to Lyndhurst, up the Oodnadatta track to Mt Dare, across to Uluru, Kings Canyon, the back road from KC to Alice Springs, along the Plenty Highway etc back to Bourke. I am from Broken Hill and have done numerous trips on very rough unsealed roads and good sealed roads from Adelaide to Alice Springs to Sydney to Karumba in the Gulf and am very pleased with the performance and handling of the car.

I have an un biased opinion of the car since it is a State Fleet vehicle and I don't actually own it. I believe the car is very comfortable to drive and handles exceptionally well. I have driven numerous vehicles from twin cab utes, Ford Teritories 200 series Landcruisers, Falcons, Aurions, Commodores etc etc and I would have to say the Kluger handling, ride height and performance is up there at the top of the list.

Sure it doesn't have the off road capability of a Landcruiser but unless you plan to tackle true off road bush tracks or poor unsealed outback roads after it rains (in which case they will be closed anyway), then it is a very capable vehicle.

Now the big NEGATIVE. The fuel consumption is pretty ordinary when towing, to say the best. The recent 6000km trip to Alice Springs as above it averaged 22 litres per 100km and the tank only holds 72 litres. When on the open road sitting on a bit over 110km/hr, the fuel consuption towing is around 23-24 litres per 100km. If you back the speed off to 100km/hr or less, the fuel consumption reduces significantly to about 16-17 litres per 100km. (I do carry spare tyres on the roof basket which may also be adding to the fuel consumption).

When not towing you can expect to average around 11 litres per 100km up to 100km/hr or 12-13 L/100km when sitting on about 115-120km/hr.

There has been no issues with the car other than the plastic disc that covers the spare wheel coming off when I hit a large rock.

My next vehicle I have ordered is a SR5 Hilux simply because of the amount of room in the back when a canopy is fitted. The boot room in the Kluger is small when you have kids with all the junk that goes with them, especially with the cargo barrier fitted.

regards
funnyfarm
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Follow Up By: funnyfarm - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 20:12

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 20:12
Also, primary drive is not to the front wheels as many think. Look it up and you will find that it is 50/50 front and back. the Rav4 is primary front wheel until it slips which is different to the Kluger.
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:09

Friday, Oct 23, 2009 at 21:09
Thanks for that funnyfarm, I can't believe how bad the fuel economy is when towing. You must have seen lots of servo's on your trip.
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:24

Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:24
Flashcher the fuel economy is bad till you look at the average speed. Slow down to 95 and the economy will improve out of site. We have Klugers at work and wish my wifes auto Jack was as economical.
Goodluck Pete
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Follow Up By: flashcher - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 22:03

Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 22:03
Thanks Pete. My only problem is I like to do the speed limit and keep up with the flow of traffic. Last time my husband told me to drop the speed a bit I had a wooping great semi sitting right up my rear giving me the hurry up wave. My hubby then tells me to sped up. Lucky for him I had both hands on the wheel and couldn't reach for my handbag!
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Reply By: chevypower - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:12

Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 07:12
I just drove our TV stations Highlander (which is the same as a Kluger), personally i thought it was nice but boring. Had leather seats, but they were a bit too hard for my liking, i couldn't drive that for hours, a little sluggish too I thought, and I doubt it would be good for towing anything significant - maybe just a small trailer? My honest thoughts - not bad for borrowing someone else's car, but there is no way I would buy one.
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