written off vehicle re register
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 16:09
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qubert
hello. i have a 4wd that was written off through
water damage and i purchased it back from the insurer. now its back on the road i went to re register it ( after a new speedo and dash assembly ) and now they say that the odometer has to read the same as before it was writtn off to get a rwc. i dont think thats correct. any one have experience with this situation.
Reply By: Rangiephil - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 16:44
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 16:44
Let me see. The registration authority in your state has told you that it will not reregister the car ? or has a Road testing garage?
In any case the next step should be to email the registration authority "contact us" and ask for confirmation.
Surely anyone on a
forum would not know as much as the registration authority.
But it sounds right to me. I am sure a speedo
shop would adjust the mileage/kilometage? at low cost, and you are not trying to dud a future buyer I am sure.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 16:50
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 16:50
The odometer reading has to be the same to prevent shonky people from changing instrument panel with one that has lower mileage and mis-leading innocent buyers. Not saying you are shonky but the law is meant to apply to one and all. Good luck with your endeavours.
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Reply By: dbish - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 17:58
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 17:58
Here in SA my brother inlaw did the same thing registered a Insurance writeoff vehicle, said he wouldnt bother again too much trouble & costs. Re speedo if vehicle was already registered & you changed the speedo they wouldnt know so wots the prob? perhaps you shouldnt have told them !!
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:02
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:02
qubert, don't for one moment think that I am suggesting that you are trying to engage in any illegal activity but I thought that once a car was written off the regulations pertaining to re-registering that vehicle were put in place to reduce the practice of "re-birthing" of possibly unroadworthy cars.
Just my thoughts
Cheers Pop
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Follow Up By: qubert - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:43
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:43
yeah but thats why they have to have road worthy inspection again to make sure they are ok. it was just
water damage, surely the insurance company can see that it doesnt make the car 'unsound'. and the odometer is a digital type, so maybe hard to re adjust.......dunno
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Reply By: Brian Purdue - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:53
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:53
I sure hope you have not spent any money on it with the intention of selling it.
If you have and the buyer finds out you may be charged with fraud which is a Criminal offence.
Do you really believe that the insurance company would write it off just because it got a little wet?
Write off your investment and call it "experince"
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:22
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:22
Brian,
Please Explain.
Insurance Co's often write off a vehicle when the commercial cost of repairs exceeds the insured value.
That is totally different to a vehicle involved in a serious crash situation. This vehicle is also written off but also is classified "unrepairable wrecking purposes only". If one of these is rebuilt/repaired you may
well be correct.
Otherwise you are not.
Disco.
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Follow Up By: splits - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 21:31
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 21:31
Brian
Writing cars off after
water damage is common but there is a difference. Fresh
water damage is usually classified as a repairable write off while salt
water is a statutory write off meaning the body and its number can never be registered again.
I have attended many Pickles and Fowels damaged car auctions in recent years and this information is always written on the windscreen.
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Follow Up By: Brian Purdue - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 09:11
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 09:11
Read the original post again, please. Move your lips if needs be.
The vehicle was WRITTEN OFF.
OK?
Brian Purdue
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 13:09
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 13:09
Brian,
I refer you to my original follow up to your post.
THAT STILL APPLIES
There are classes of "WRITTEN OFF"
1. Written Off, never to be repaired or licenced. Wrecking purposes only.
2. Written Off, Cost of commercial repair exceeds insured value.
May be repaired,inspected and relicenced but can only be reinsured third party only.
Disco.
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Reply By: nsngood - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:55
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 18:55
What state are you in qubert?
In wait awhile you can register a car with a differrent speedo reading.
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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:16
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:16
Hello Qubert.
It reminds me of when I was a youngster.
About 45 years ago, a newly arrived Pom who was boarding with us at the time, came home one day and exclaimed “My Loondrover its soonk!”
He had stalled his Landrover at the mouth of a nearby river in flood. The running
water undermined the Landover and it fell over- spending the night underwater. The insurance company wrote it off and my old man brought it for a song. He spent a lot of money on it but it become a white elephant and was never any good – faults attributed to the
water damage kept appearing for many years later.
Best of luck
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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:46
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 19:46
Qubert,
If an insurance has written off a vehicle it can never be insured again.
It might be able to be registered but not insured. That is the way I thought it worked, but I could also be wrong.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: qubert - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 20:42
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 20:42
thanks folks for your follows. i was under the impression that a car dealer CANNOT change the speedo (not reading) but a private seller can ( buy at buyers risk) . thats stops dealers selling restored write offs.
and it was fresh running
water ina
creek at
gin gin, so no salt.
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 20:54
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 20:54
Hi Wayne, you are correct about comprehensive insurance, but you can still insure the vehicle 1/3 party against property damage.
Qubert, doesnt matter wether a dealer is selling or been sold privately you cant alter a speedo reading, even if the speedo has to be replaced is must be either wound up or down to the original klms, other wise you would have the dishonest ones saying they had to put a new speedo in and we would end up with the second hand car market flooded with vehicles indicating the wrong klms on the odometer and can guarantee they would be below the original klms. The digital speedo's can be alterted so correct klms are shown on the odometer.........Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: dbish - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 22:11
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 22:11
Not all speedos Can be adjusted after they have been used. Replacement ford speedos usualy can only be adjusted once from new.
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Follow Up By: rags - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:00
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:00
We brought a repairerable write off vehicle for daughters 1st car,a rav4 for $2700 2 yrs ago now, which only had hail damage, the car has been great for her.Yes we can insure it but only 3rd party property unless hail damage is repaired, but my understanding in nsw is that a dealer cannot resell a repairable write off vehicle,so therefore we could not trade it to a dealer.
We are now waiting on the next hail storm to arive so we can buy daughter no 2 her 1st car!
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:38
Saturday, Oct 24, 2009 at 23:38
There is a bit ofa contradiction going on here.
Wherehegon posted:
“you cant alter a speedo reading, even if the speedo has to be replaced is must be either wound up or down to the original klms’
If you are able to alter the speedo when you install it so as to pass the licensing requirements – what’s to stop you altering it after its been licensed?
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 20:17
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 20:17
Dennis, there is nothing stopping you from fitting a new /second hand speedo at any time BUT it must have the correct klms put on it. The klms are now recorded with the RTA when you reregister a vehicle. I had a REVS check on the prado I own now, it showed the klms per year. wether the vehicle has been written off at any time and also told me any previous owners which in my case was one only. It's about time that this is available to any buyers (has so in Victoria for a while) hopefully it will stop the shonky sellers out there. There is nothing stopping you from running 2 speedos and changing them around eg do 50 thou on one then change back to the original do say 5k then put the one with 50 on it back in. This way when registering every year the pink slip will only indicate 5k a year this is providing your not stupid enough to have the log book/serive books dated and stamped. hence why I wont touch a vehicle without logs/service books, there are other telltale signs of higher klms but there are suckers out there that wouldnt pick up on it. Big fines for playing with speedos eg winding them back or disconecting them and so there should be................Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Dennis Ellery - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:28
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:28
Yeh I agree.
On my last two vehicles, which I purchased new, I keep the log books up to scratch. You need to for warranty issues anyway.
A number of years ago when I was scratching for a quid - I brought a second hand car at a vehicle auction - It turned out to be a disaster - It had been a write off, which some enterprising individual had used to manufacture a new car. They had cut the back section off one vehicle and welded it to the front section of another. I never found out until the cops put it over the pits when I transfered it to my name.
Relying on the speedo reading alone is a risk when buying secondhand vehicles - there are shonks out there that will get around any system.
Regards Dennis
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Reply By: burnsy - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:14
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:14
I had a speedo fail on my Isusu truck.
I bought a new one from Don Kyatt & fitted it.
Next year when the rego inspection was due the inspector asked to see the old one ( which I had). He told me that in Qld you can fit a new unit but you must also keep the old one as proof of km travelled.
NB. this was an old analogue speedo>
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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:35
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:35
you win the prize burnsey...
there is also a certicficate that must be carried, analogue that is...
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Follow Up By: nickb - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 16:35
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 16:35
Thats odd, what if you buy 2 speedos with low km??? hehehe
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Reply By: The Landy - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:37
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 10:37
I replaced the speedo in the 'Landy' when I rebuilt it because the one in it was faulty... Not sure of the implication, however I do have the old one and recorded the kilometres when I changed it over.
I imagine it would only be an issue if someone tried to pass it off as 'original' kilometres.........
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Trouper (NSW) - Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 14:54
Sunday, Oct 25, 2009 at 14:54
You can re insure a repairable write off if the repairs are completed and a Blue Slip is issued and the vehicle is re-registered. I have done this myself only 2 months ago in NSW the most difficult Traffic Authority to deal with.. if in doudt contact me via MM
Regards....................Jeff
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