A Question for Willem
Submitted: Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:05
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Paladin
As an avid reader of your comments I wonder why you have decided to abandoned towing a trailer after all these years. I am starting to think about using a trailer to spread the weight & I am having second thoughts after seeing your comments.
In trying to reduce weight being carried one soon realises that the amount of
weight allowance left after factoring in bullbar, winch, tools ,fuel,
water,frige(s)
recovery gear, extra wheel & rim etc, is not much.
Where do you you save?
Regards
Ross
Reply By: Willem - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:23
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:23
G'day
Ross
In the beginning.........................I went bush in a Suzuki and even crossed the deserts in one....but the needs changed over the years.
I always drove old bombs but got a real flash 10year old truck in 2004. On many of my trips I went solo or took a mate with me but then SWMBO started coming along again and the dog as
well and so the gear got added to the array of stuff we carry.
The trailer came along in 2005 and has served us
well and over some pretty rough country as
well. But now SWMBO says that she is getting tired of the extended
camping routines and my obsession to go
places where normal people shun and so the trailer is on the obsolete list.
I have in the past had a good run out of the trailker but this past winter I miscalculated the harshness off the terrain I was to traverse, carried too much gear, ran tyres over country which were unsuitable in a towing situation and generally made life hard for myself.
With all of these factors in mind and the wish to continue going bush to remote
places by myself I have decided to trim everything to the bone, so to speak, and I am at present in the process of doing just that. The trailer will be tidied up, repainted and sold.
I believe the finance department is budgeting for a caravan for when Her Worship and the dog want to come along :-) I will still have my trimmed down rig including 250lts diesel, 60 lits
water, bullbar, winch and tucker. It remains to be seen what it will weigh over the weighbridge !
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:39
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:39
G'day
Ross,
I am not Willem but like Willem I have towed a camper trailer over a considerable amount of this country. I did not wake up one day and think 'Hey I'll spend $12k on a trailer to tow for no good reason.'
I thought about it for a long time carefully weighing the pros and cons before spending my hard earned. I love my camper but recently did a trip without it. We slept in swags and had a ball. Now I love that too.
Life is constantly changing. I am currently considering the purchase of a motorbike. Haven't had one in 21 years. Back then I sold my bike because my circumstance changed and I could no longer justify my trusty old steed. Now things are changing again.
Spreading the weight is a very good reason to tow a trailer. For me 3 kids and a wife meant lots of gear that simply would not fit in the car. That and a couple of bad experiences with roof racks meant a trailer was a real good option. Now the kids are not travelling with me as much. Less people, less gear less need for a trailer. But it's not gone yet and there will still be times in the next few years when the camper will put a lot of
miles away.
If you have a look at thread number 72930 you will see how the changing needs of a number of people have influenced equipment choice.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: River Swaggie - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 00:26
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 00:26
**I thought about it for a long time carefully weighing the pros and cons before spending my hard earned. I love my camper but recently did a trip without it. We slept in swags and had a ball. Now I love that too. ***
Hiya Duncs
I like to go to an area and if i like it after driving most of the day just drop
camp with a fire and swag nearby ..Ive noticed people with campers mostly use it as a base and therefore have to return to it that night,each to there own i guess.Happiest when i'm camped on a river..
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Reply By: Paladin - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:50
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:50
The punch line is I am struggling with is how much it weighs over the scales.
It is not only the liability side of the equation with overweight loads but also the stress on the vehicle.
suspension accounts for only part of the problem but doesn't help with, brakes,tyres, diffs etc.
On the other hand a trailer while spreading the load presents an additional
problem if long range recovery is required.
We have all seen abandoned trailers on the tracks.
There is probably no one answer.
Thanks for you thoughts.
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 23:45
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 23:45
Ross
My Troopy with all the recovery gear, winch, tools, tyres, 360Ltr fuel, 80Ltr
water weighs 3 tonne , I weighed it on the Scalies bridge at
Tennant Creek , usuallt not manned but there's a visual digital gauge inside the window,
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:38
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 07:38
Ross
Just one other thing...... while use of the trailer spreads the load it puts more strain on the drive train when going through harsh country. My aspirated old truck produces only 85kw of power. If you have a Turboed engine the pulling power should easy the strain on the drivetrain. It also depends on your driving techniques :-)
I had to make modifications to the trailer as anthills would wipe out my
water containers on the side. I also ended up with two jockey
wheels to make the handling of the trailer easier.
Weight: At one stage the trailer weighed in at 1200kg fully laden and the GQ at 2600kg. Although the GVM of the GQ is 2800kg I am expecting it to weigh in around 3000kg after transferring the gear but I am going to endeavour to stay at the max of 2800kg. Will be near a weighbridge tday soi shall see where we are at and let you know.
Of course when fully laden with fuel (8 jerrycans) the vehicle gets lighter the further you go as the fuel is used(and
water too). When not needing the extra fuel the vehicle will travel a lot lighter of course.
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Reply By: Paladin - Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:56
Monday, Oct 26, 2009 at 22:56
Thanks Dunc,
You are right , of course, things change but in remote area travel there is a base load that needs to be carried. How best to carry that load is my dilema
Regards
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:36
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:36
One more thing
Ross,
Having the trailer with me has never stopped me going anywhere. I was looking at Google earth the other day trying to retrace a trip I did in the mountains a few years ago. I had thought at the time that the track was pretty narrow. It was steep with decent steps but there was not much in the way of vehicle generated erosion and it didn't match the description in the guide notes.
Well according to GE I was on the walking track.
A
well built,
well prepared,
well driven trailer will take you almost everywhere you want to go. You have to make allowances for it but the hardest part of most trips is getting a
park at McDonalds.
Duncs
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Reply By: Paladin - Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 13:38
Tuesday, Oct 27, 2009 at 13:38
Duncs,
I would have thought that not getting a car
park at McDonalds with a trailer was a big plus.
Ross
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