Dual batterries

I recently bought a 100 series which has three batteries. I know these came standard with 2 batteries and although I dont know how the third is installed(Wireing) it has a dedciated line for a fridge.

Im wondering if the cruiser can be wired to only crank from one battery while the other one is used in tanderm for the fridge. I,m told with the Aussie climate 100 series dont need 2 batteries to crank the turbo diesel motor,

I,d be interested in your thoughts?

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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:10

Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:10
Hi rare

Best you post some pictures of what you have.

It may already be set up in the best way.

Please post a picture of the isolator and interconnecting cables from each battery.

Regards

Derek from ABR
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Reply By: rare - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:12

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:12
Thanks.

I can upload photos at the moment but their is a "Sure Power Industries p?battery separator" connected in the setup

The positive from the smaller battery is connected to a separator, A positive cable then links from the separator to the positive on one of the main batteries. Another smaller cable also leads back form the sepatayor back into the vechile so I suspect this is the dedicated fridge line. The negative from the auxiliary is connected direct to the negative on the main battery which in turn is connected directly to the other main battery.
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 00:56

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 00:56
Hi Rare

Best to use the follow-up link and not the reply otherwise you are talking to your self and I don't get the response unless I return to this thread.

Sure-Power make diode and relay type isolators and also make isolators for ARB. (Not me ABR). ARB don't have their own isolator like me ABR, Piranha and Redarc.

Please email me those pictures, battery specs and the isolator part number.

I can't offer any advice without ALL the information.

Regards

Derek from ABR
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Reply By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 07:52

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 07:52
G’day Rare,
I can assure you from firsthand experience that the 100 series turbo diesel does need two batteries for at least the first crank. I had a crank battery collapse while in the Simpson and could not self start in the morning. Second and further starts throughout the day were ok.
Myles.
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Reply By: Muddie - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 08:10

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 08:10
I changed from 3 a battery system to running 2 big batteries in my 2005 100 IFS 2 years ago, I have had no problems cranking from 1 750cca, the originals are a pair of 450cca.
The problem I had was the ARB tray and 3rd battery was small as there is not enough room in an IFS for a full size setup.
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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 08:51

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 08:51
G’day Muddie,
I have two 760cca’s as cranking and a 620cca as the auxiliary battery. Would not start on cold desert mornings with one battery. Again, that’s my first hand experience.
Myles.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:15

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:15
Myles,

You also added that one battery had collapsed so there lies the problem. A single battery in good condition will start a T/D


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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:26

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:26
G’day Kev,
Yep you could well be right…. All the charge from the good may have been being drained by the dead battery. I made a similar enquiry as Rare on this very forum when I first bought my new 100 series in 2006. The consensus then was that there will be times when both batteries are required for starting.
Myles.
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Follow Up By: Muddie - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:58

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:58
I was starting with one OE 450cca for 2 years and it died 2 weeks after starting no worries on a 3 day snow camping trip which we had 75mm of snow overnight and the temp dropped to -6.
When they are dead they are dead.
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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:34

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:34
Yep Muddie, people are the same…. There is no half dead.
Although others on the forum convinced me to maintain the two starting batteries, with the benefit of hindsight I may well have been able to start if I had completely disconnected the failed battery.
Myles.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:51

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:51
If you want to be sure, do as I did and put a relay in that hooks both together

for starting and drops out agian when you let the key go.

Otherwise just press the button on the dash to link them.


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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:23

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:23
G'day Graham,
Sure do, but it still didn’t get enough to the starter motor…. The dead battery was sucking up all the charge from the other two. At the time I didn’t know which battery had failed and I actually thought there may be a fault with the earth to the starter motor and not a battery problem at all. I now carry a good quality multimeter. I had a week of getting jump started and on the last morning needed three vehicles to get me going….. very embarrassing as one was a Patrol. Stopped in at Alice for supplies half way through our trip and diagnosed the failed battery which was replaced with no further issues. I was amazed the dead battery drained so much of the charge.
That problem won’t happen again because with my new beaut multimeter I will know where the problem is.
Live and learn.
Myles.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:54

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 11:54
I'm asking a question, will the 100 series start reliably every time and in all conditions with just one larger 700+ CCA battery ??

if so, use a Cranking battery of that size, or even a tad larger to be safe, (760cca) then use the other two batteries as 'storage batteries' for running your appliances till they die and then replace them both with identical AGM DC's.

Have them isolated appropriately and you will have no problems because you can easily and safely add the two AGM's into the starting circuit to jump start at any time they are required.

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Muddie - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:03

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:03
As I have said for 2 years I have had no issues starting from 1 750cca, I did boil my 115 ah deep cycle aux in the Simpson this year so have replaced it with hybrid exide which will start the TD.
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