Intercooler, Dust & Mud?

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Hi all - I am thinking about buying a new V8 Troopcarrier but have a concern about the intercooler.

It seems to me that dust and dirt would enter the air scoop on the bonnet and eventually fool up the intercooler fins especially if it then rained or worse still muddy water went in. After it dried it would set like concrete.

Is this a problem? I don't see how it wouldn't get fouled up? Or that the dust wouldn't enter the engine bay (the rubber seal seems flimsy)?

Cheers Paul
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Reply By: Skippype - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 06:55

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 06:55
Paul
For what it's worth I own a V8 ute and have had it up here in the Cooper Basin for 2 years now. It has done 60k in the dust and mud. I have never had a problem with it. The intercooler does not foul up. Yes the dust does enter the engine bay but the majority of it blows on through. As for mud caking it up it just does not happen.
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Follow Up By: exploreaus - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 04:36

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 04:36
Skip,

Thanks for your answer - still seems odd to me though lol
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Reply By: Rockape - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:05

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 07:05
Paul,

we have around 30 of these at work and they operate in incredible dust and mud, the intercoolers don't seem to be having any problems with blockages and these now have done up around 60000k in low range 4wd. That 60000k adds up to alot of hours at 30k/h max speed.

It is not much trouble to pull an intercooler and hose it out.

They have had radiator problems being blocked with mud and corroding, this will tell you how bad the conditions are.

Alternators are another problem as well and one of the fitters had to change a starter motor the other day, all I will say was he wasn't a happy camper, something about all the sh$%t he had to pull off to access it.

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 00:37

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 00:37
Rockape

At "30k/h max speed" most well take the intercooler out of the loop, I wouldn't think much air flow would be crossing over it to transfer any heat, you think?

Regards

Richard
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 07:22

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 07:22
Richard,
the question asked was "do the intercoolers suffer from dirt" and my answer was "NO" as Paul in the previous said.

To answer your question on the amount of air flowing over the intercooler, here it is.

1. Stand in a 30klm breeze and see how much air flows over you.
2. Add another 10 to 15 KPH from the induced airflow by the primary vent fans. That is now 40 to 45 kph flowing over the intercooler.
3. These vehicles are hauling up a 1 in 6 and 1 in 7 decline for 5 klm's which make them work, you can hear the fan cutting in and out.
4. At some stage in the life of the vehicle, you will have to clean the intercooler the same as an aircleaner, but from what I have witnessed that is not going to be very often.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:23

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:23
Rockape

so in other word you believe that it would still be reducing the air temp at 30 kph, thats good to know, as when I drive out in the desert thats the speed that I'm at most of the day.
As for dirt and mud, at 30 km/h we don't kick up much.

Thanks

Richard
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:53

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:53
Richard,

you may not kick up much dust at your 30 kph, nor do I.

Where these utes operate the dust in the air can be so thick you wear a mask most days and sometimes you have to slow down, even at 30 kph cause you can't see.

After a day it is not uncommon to wash a 100kg of mud from under the utes. At 30kph you still get water over the bonnet when you hit a puddle, those puddles maybe 300 to 400 deep and be 30 mts long.

As I said the intercoolers are fine. I will say this again, I answered the post and I don't know where you are going with this, at 30kph the intercooler won't be as effective as it would be at 100kph, but I will leave that to the rocket scientists.

here are some old photo's to give you an idea of what these vehicles live in and look like.

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:57

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:57
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 19:48

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 19:48
Rockape

I'm and ex earthmoving fitter, I've have seen a couple of things in my time,
the comment/question below was said without much thought. Nissan people put fans on theres.
"At "30k/h max speed" most well take the intercooler out of the loop, I wouldn't think much air flow would be crossing over it to transfer any heat, you think?"

Anyway I see/know where your coming from. cheers

and don't tell Phil G that they run splits on underground Toyota.. LOL

Regards

Richard
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 21:12

Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 21:12
Richard,

the photo's are at least 16 yrs old maybe even 20, I can't remember. We haven't used splits for at least 5 yrs now, we still have some lying around as vehicles have been delivered with them on.

Word is Willem has been seen over here stealing all the split rims.

No what you mean about a fan for low speed to get the best out of the intercooler.

Have a good one

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Follow Up By: exploreaus - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 04:39

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 04:39
Thanks all for your responses - cheers Paul
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Reply By: Serendipity (WA) - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:02

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:02
I have the V8 ute and sure some bits a pieces go onto the intercooler bonnet scoop - leaves and such but I would be more concerned with the a/c radiator and the general radiator clogging up way before the intercooler has an issue.

Have a look at where Mazda Bt50 and Ford Couriers have their intercooler - down the bottom and in front of the radiator. Cops a flogging.

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Follow Up By: rumpig - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:15

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:15
same with some of the Pajeros, got a mate who just had dramas with his Paj not running right. he ended up taking vehicle to mechanic who removed the intercooler and showed him the caked on mud from our adventurous day out at Glasshouse Mtns. a few weeks earlier. he gave his fourby a good hosing when he got home from our day out, but obviously missed the very important low down mounted intercooler that was full of mud.
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:53

Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:53
Air to air intercoolers mounted on the top of the motor get a lot of heat soak, front mount probably get full of debris, so the best is a water to air intercooler and the best part for a ute is you can mount the radiator behind and above the cab, that is if you do not want the rad, which is pretty small, mounted in front of the main radiator.
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