Turbo Diesels how far can they go
Submitted: Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 20:54
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Isuzumu
The new Triton has gone from the 3.2 TD to a 2.5 TD. The MN (new model) produces 131 KWs and 400 NMs, I thought that with this decrease in engine size is not good, but having just seen the new Kia Sorento now has a 2.2 TD instead of the 2.5 TD which produced 125 KWs and 392 NMs, but the new 2.2 TD produces 146 KWs and 436 NMs, that is a lot of grunt from 2.2 litres. These engineers have a lot more knowledge then I so time will tell.
Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:16
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:16
G`day Bruce,
I`m waiting for the new 0.2 TD intercooled Whipper Snipper to come out. LOL
Plurry weeds !
Scrubby.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:40
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:40
Good onya Scrubby, how are you anyway mate? glad to be home? and stop scratching your feet hahahahaha. Say hello to Anne for us to mate.
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Follow Up By: Member - Burra - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:07
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:07
If they put one in a zook , you would only need a 1L
hehehe.
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:04
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:04
I guess it's all to do with the obsession to make things lighter Bruce.
I would imagine the engine would be lighter because of the smaller capacity, and goodness knows how many high tech light alloys are in there too.
I wonder if they will last as long as an old 351 though?
Dave
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Follow Up By: Fatso - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 21:11
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 21:11
Is that the old 351 with points that would cough & splutter trying to get to 60 mph after doing a few blockies on Saturday morning?
How long is it since you heard a motor with a miss in the engine?
It wasn't that rare in the 60s & 70s to hear a coughing, spluttering or misfiring car going down the street. Regular occurrence actually.
Then comes a cold wet day & the RACQ gets a heap of call outs to cars that won't start. Didn't you just love points.
But if it is a modern 351, that's another story.
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Reply By: viz - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:37
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 22:37
I have a Mercedes 315 van with a 2.1 twin turbo pushing 2.4 tonnes empty - 115 kw and 330 nm. I think it is a fantastic motor - wish it was in my Cruiser. It eats the Cruiser off the lights, up the hills and in overtaking, and does half the fuel doing it. It is my second diesel Merc and the motor in these things do last if proper servicing is undertaken. They do NOT like bad diesel - one dose can be very costly: new injectors and pump can be around $6000. So no biofuel.
We have Mercs in our fleet with 400,000 km without the head being taken off. (I can't say the same for the other bits attached to the motor - that is where Mercedes makes their money I reckon...).
If the Kia is pushing 436 nm - that's a lot. Wonder where it comes in though - the Merc is seamless off the idle all the way to redline.
The new Disco 3.0 V6 is an interesting motor too - over 500 torks and most available half a second from prodding the throttle...
Go Diesel! Long time coming, I reckon...
viz
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 06:42
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 06:42
Been wondering the same thing. I drove a VW Polo diesel for a few hours last week. Incredible performance for a little engine. I was wondering just how long it would last. Diesels used to last for evr and were built extra heavy. The new ones are very light, relatively.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:12
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:12
I have never minded the
Sorrento and now with this new 2.2 diesel it may just be time to look a bit more serious on flogging off one of my dinosaurs on one of these
Sorrento's for Judy???? Bloody good fuel figures reportedly. I just wonder why all these KW's and NM's are only being let out of the bag recently, I am sure the knowledge was there a few years back too?
Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:23
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:23
Might have to go and test drive one Trevor, wander if they would mind me giving it the boot see if it can lay a bit of rubber hahahahahaha
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:59
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:59
Can't see why you can't bury the right boot in a test drive. I remember a test drive in a FPV Falcon where the salesman TOLD ME to give it a gutful. He didn't have to say it twice hehehehhe. All my "new car" test drives have involved a fair amount of right boot but all my new cars have been 4B's so an understanding of useable HP has been needed to be known by me considering the large loads my rigs have to carry.
Go give it a go and tell me what you think.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:27
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 09:27
When the common rail with pezoid injectors (spelling?) came out a few years ago, I remember the chief engineer from VW said 80kw/litre may be possible.
The racing audi R10 of 5.5l is putting out about 522kw, 95kw/litre, but only for short bursts.
racing audi
Power needs fuel however, so wonder what the fuel consumption would be on full throttle. :o)
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:50
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 15:50
John, with 500+KW when the hell would you be on full throtle? LOL!!!! I would settle for half those KW's which should return respectable and managable fuel figures and fuel bills.
Nice bit of kit the Audi's too.
Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 18:44
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 18:44
Good point Trev,
Racing, you are either full on the throttle, or full on the brakes, or cornering.
On the road, don't see 500kw being that useful, except for passing the odd semi or road train.
But then the diffs and gear box would be that much heavier too.
100kw gets me up the
Toowoomba range at the speed limit, with the trailer on, so why have 500kw?
As you say, 200 to 250kw would be enough, and even then would only use it a couple of times a day on a trip for a bit of overtaking.
Couldn't afford the fuel bill otherwise.
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Reply By: Serendipity (WA) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:27
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 10:27
I am so impressed by the specs on the range of 4x4 today. I wonder how they get so much power out of them.
My V8 landcruiser only produces 151kw and 430nm - makes me wonder why I shelled so much money to get this vehicle when I could have nipped out and bought a Kia Sorento. Wait no I don't - I am happy with my cruiser.
David
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:32
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 14:32
I think your 'Cruiser will be still going strong long after the Kia's given up everything it might have thought it had...
There are always compromises depending where your priorities are - I'm sure you could get more horses out of your truck (with a bit of reprogramming etc.) but then you wouldn't expect it to last as long.
And the maximum numbers (esp. torque) are a bit deceptive - from what I understand, your 'Cruiser has a very flat torque curve which means it will pull very strongly through it's entire rev range. The Kia on the other hand probably only develops usable torque in a very narrow range, meaning that the auto is always 'hunting' (or you get a tired left leg in the manual).
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:16
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:16
Reckon the technology can only advance further from here and that the old adage of "you can't beat cubes" is now really a thing of the distant past :-). Advances in metallurgy, fuel management systems, engine design and greater use of boost (especially with twin and/or variable vane turbos) have largely been driven but the rapidly advancing 'peak oil' - and governments around the world but moreso in Europe demanding cleaner engines. When will the capacity / power / torque optimum be met? That's anyone's guess really and I never cease to be amazed at what each generation of engineers/physicists design/discover.
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:38
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 12:38
I would imagine with every new model vehicle coming out there will be an increase in power and torque. It's going to be catch up for a few manufacturers though.
Has the new Pardo got more horses then the last model?
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:21
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 16:21
Yep, like the pajero, newer engine management, more power.
Smaller engines with same power as previous larger engines in most models means when you go soft on the throttle, better fuel economy than before.
Way better than we can ever get in your Isuzu 3.0l and my 2.9l pajero with the old mechanical injection.
Friend in two year old technology 2.0l VW golf diesel reckons he dips under 4.0l/100km when on the highway and trying for economy. And it goes pretty
well too.
Friend in latest D4D prado reckons he gets in the 7s, 7l/100km on the highway on the flat sitting on 90 to 100km/hr, with an empty car, and thats over a 50km run.
Best I have got out of the pajero is 9.4l/100k sitting on 85 to 90 on the highway.
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Reply By: mikehzz - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 17:02
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 17:02
The Europeans are the diesel front runners. A garage in Europe has way more diesel pumps than petrol because most of the cars are diesel. The Japanese are playing catch up at the moment. I have a Freelander 2 with a 2.2 diesel that has 400 nm torque and gets combined 8.5l/100km economy. Hard to beat those numbers but it looks like Kia has...a pity they dropped the low range in the Sorento though? They've turned it into a good looking pussy.
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