Fuel Tank Repair

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:19
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Another small split has developed in the 180lt diesel fuel tank.
It is an aftermarket tank fitted to my 78 Series troopie and the split is on the bottom section of the tank along a weld.

I had another split along a weld in the same tank but in another section which I was able to weld successfully. When the tank was repaired that time I pumped exhaust fumes from a lawn mower into the tank to stop the diesel from catching on fire. This was a bit messy and time consuming but it worked.

This time I was thinking of using dry ice pellets in the tank. As the dry ice melts it will give off co2 gas.

This should retard any fire from starting in the tank while the welding repairs are being done.

Has anyone tried this method or has any comments on this procedure?

Wayne
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Reply By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:55

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 10:55
with a diesel tank, if you fill it completely with water and drain it, the residue left on the walls will not likely be sufficient to combust, if done immediately. Leaving the tank for hours or days between isnt advisable.
You could add a little detergent to the water for added cleaning.
While obviously you should use a Detector, I have done my own LR tank recently with no problem.
Also for ships tanks, these are not even washed. They are vented with a fan for a few hours then checked Gas-Free. Flushing with water is more effective though but impractical obviously with a 100 cubic meter fuel tank.
You can also stand the tank up with the crack at the highest point and fill with water to minimise the area that could hold gas.

You could also get some one to check it with a detector, such as any engineering type workshop first (advisable)

Disclaimer
Do this at your own peril.
DO NOT EVER TRY IT WITH ANY TANK THAT HAS HELD PETROL.
Speak to someone knowledgable not on the internet to confirm any information you get here.
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Reply By: racinrob - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:04

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 11:04
I have repaired a couple of diesel tanks, I just filled them with water and soldered them up. Very easy and I can't see that welding them would be any different. Drained the water and dried the tank out after the repair then checked the sediment/water trap several times in the week after.
Good luck. Rob.
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Reply By: Peterbilt - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:26

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:26
Wayne,
The best method to safely weld the diesel tank is to fill it completely with diesel and then weld the split. Have a hose or fire extinguisher handy to put out the flames if it burns (it will only be a small flame if the weeping fuel does burn). However it won't explode and my advice is based on previous experience.

One of my first trucks had a big rectangular diesel tank slung diagonally under the chassis and used to frequently leak along the seams due to torsional stress. My boss would weld up the seams with an electric arc welder without any problems although I was fairly apprehensive when I watched him do it the first time. The only danger is when the tank is partially empty - the air space is far more dangerous than the diesel fuel.

When you're filling the air space with carbon monoxide from your lawn mover, you're essentially doing the same thing . It's easier though to simply eliminate the air space by filling the tank completely with diesel.

The other safe method is to empty the tank and steam it out. Fuel gets into the pores of the metal and is still resident even when the tank is empty. Putting a steam hose into the tank and letting it steam for 20-30 minutes eradicates the fuel residue in the metal itself. We used this method when operating fuel tankers and is also the recommended method from TAFE welding courses. This is the only safe method for welding petrol tanks.

Regards,

Peter

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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:33

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 14:33
cant say Ive EVER heard that one?
While it may be safe (I wouldnt do it in prefernce to water?)-it CERTAINLY isnt the best method-or else all the workshops etc would be doing it.
How can Diesel be safer than water?
Steam is good.
But the thing to be careful of with a lawnmower exhaust is that it is entirely possible for a primitive mower carby to be running very over rich and adding some combustible material to it.
His CO2 idea would be much better.
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Follow Up By: GerryP - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 23:16

Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 23:16
Many years ago, I watched some gas fitters tee into the side of a 4 inch natural gas pipe and weld in the fitting with an oxy torch. They basically made sure the pipe was full of gas, then isolated the section and started welding. Every now and then, they would get a "POP" when the gas/air mixture was right, but the gas in the pipe would not burn back or explode due to a lack of air.

Must say I stood well back, but these guys used to do it all the time, so I can see that Peter's suggestion would work. Still sounds scary though - think I'd prefer water eh?

The other thing you could do is fill it with argon from a mig welder gas bottle.

Cheers
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 10:31

Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 10:31
Gday,
I would never recomend using diesel over an inert liquid or gas. If done properly it does work but deffinately not your safest way?
Infact I wouldnt recomend anyone inexpierienced welding it at all, there are to many things that can go wrong if its not degassesd properly.
Also if its not the first time the tank has split I would be looking for a cause before I started with the repair......like Richard said......weld in some stiffners or maybe baffles.

Cheers
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 00:03

Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 00:03
Wayne

I would never tell you or anyone, not to do something safely, so I wont.

But I will say I have welded diesel tanks up with the oxy & arc welders, never had problems full or empty, petrol, no I stay away from, I have made plenty when I was building House Boats at Eldon.

if you are having problems with the weld cracking all the time, reinforce it by drilling a hole top and bottom, siding a what ever size piece of round mild steel bar through them, leaving 1/4" sicking through and run a fillet around it.

Cheers

Richard
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