New car advice needed.

Submitted: Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 21:47
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Hi all,

I posted a few weeks back that we were looking for a new car. We have decided that we dont really need a 4wd anymore, but still need a comfy car with enough boot space for the usualy family trips. We are planning on buying 2nd hand and have a budget of about 35k. I have been leaning towards a 2006 Hyundai Santa Fe CM MY07 Elite. It's 4 sp auto, 6cyl 2.7L petrol. Most of the reviews I ahve read say it is a good car, however they say that the the engine is rather small and a little slow considering the vehicle weighs in at around 1800kg. We wont be towing anything, and I dont really want a car with loads of power as it will basically be my car for shuttling the kids around and the odd camping trip on the school holidays.

I am really keen to hear other opinions on this vehicle, good and bad. Thanks in advance.

Hayley
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Reply By: LeahSA - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:11

Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:11
Hello, Not sure how many kids you have but we have a Kia Grand Carnival and it is great. V6. Fits 8 people. You can fold down the back row of seats into the floor and the space is huge. If you need all 8 seats, there is still loads of room in the boot- I fit in there a large double pram and all my shopping etc. We have had ours 3 years and it has not had 1 problem and easy to drive etc for the usual ferrying around kids. Good luck with your choice, Leah
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Follow Up By: Hayley_Demc - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:16

Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:16
Hi, I did look at the kia but 8 seats was just too many. We were looking at just a standard 5 seater.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:14

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:14
LeahSA

Yes, the Kia Carnival, is a great people mover, but did you know that when it comes time to change the spark plugs, it will cost you almost $1000.
This is because the motor has to come out to achieve the above.

You must build this into the running cost of the vehicle.

Cheers
Bucky
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 12:18

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 12:18
The early model was also proned to doing the heads known problem by Kia, my neighbour had to ring over seas to get hers fixed. It was out of waranty (just) but they come to the party and fixed after months of fighting, it ended up going again so they traded it on a Kluger. She loved the car but expensive servicing costs and head problems made her get rid of it. I believe the new model (shape) the head problem has been rectified ?? Regards Steve M

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Reply By: kend88 - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:24

Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:24
The now defunct mitsubishi 380 would meet your needs, and for probably half your budget for the last model produced. They were/are a really good car, but like all their larger models, suffered from mitsubishi's mid 1980's reputation of a weak transmission in one model.

KenD
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Reply By: mikehzz - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:29

Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 22:29
All the good reports I have heard have been for the diesel model. Heaps better fuel economy.
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Reply By: Fab72 - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:19

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:19
I have a mate who bought a Diesel Santa Fe brand new. Big mistake. The poor bloke has listed this as the worst mistake of his life. Having said that, the problems he has are not specifically related to the diesel engine.
Copy and paste added (direct from his Facebook site):

POOR.

1. Thin, hard and very un-supportive front seats. Very uncomfortable on long trips. Barely enough rearward movement of seat to fit taller drivers.

2. Angle of the drivers left foot rest is wrong and an un-natural position. Causes numbness in heel of foot on long trips. Rest is also very close to the foot applied park brake.

3. Park brake is a foot applied brake and interferes with natural resting position of left foot. No audible alarm to warn of brake still applied if moving.

4. Trip computer while accurate short term is not consistent long term. Average fuel consumption L/100 km alters when fuel tank is refilled. This should not alter as should be calculating AVERAGE consumption and level of fuel tank is NOT a factor.

5. Rear seats (7 seater) jamb on seat belts when unfolding causing plastic cover of seat belt buckle to fall off.

6. A very noticeable turbo lag when accelerating, both gently or harder. Difficult to take off smoothly at times when pulling away from corners in traffic. Often causes traction loss on front wheels and a subsequent annoying 'axle hop'.

7. Suspension is harsh and frequently bottoms out.

8. Climate control is ODD to say the least. I don't want the A/C to come on every time I demist the front glass. A simple knob control to select where you want the air to go with OBVIOUS graphics would be much simpler!

9. Rear hatch door squeaks on rubber seal.

10. No over-speed alert feature.

12. Cruise control is erratic. Fluctuates up to -3km/h to +5km/h from intended speed.

13. Speedometer is inaccurate 2-3km at all speeds above 60km/h. Proven against other vehicles, roadside speed trap displays and GPS.

14. No handle on inside of rear hatch door for emergency exit if needed.

15. I'm sure there will be more...

GOOD.

1. Fuel economy is OK at 8-9L/100km and performance of the 2.2L diesel engine is quite good when revs are up. However I have concerns about the towing performance pulling the caravan. Time will tell on that but big hills will sort it out I fear :-(

2. For the money probably not bad value but give me a REAL AUSSIE car any day!

3. 5 year warranty. It will need it and I'm well on the way to trying it out.

WHATS MISSING.....

The ability to fly up Willunga Hill at 80km/h with a caravan in tow!

Give me back the Holden Crewman any day...or a Sports wagon :o)

My 2 cents worth...buy a Holden Captiva. I lease one and it is faultless. Great dealer network. Aussie built V6 (although I have the diesel version). Third row seats split so you can have a 6 or 7 seater (unlike my sister's thirsty Territory which is either a 5 or 7 seater). High equipment levels. And even the second row seats fold flat. On the downside, the standard tyres suck a bit when going off road. Being a lease car I have no choice, however, if I bough one, the only mod I'd do is run a set of A/T's.
HOLDEN CAPTIVA is currently Australia's number one selling SUV.....that many people can't be wrong....and $35K is not far off the price of a new one.

Good luck...hope this helps.
Fab.
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 15:16

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 15:16
Me thinks he should have done a bit more homework/due diligence on the vehicle before he shelled out $'s to buy it (eg: items 1, 2, 3, 6, 10, 14 would be picked up on a good test drive), then he would've been aware of most of the nit-picky shortcomings mentioned, as well as possibly some others.

Then ask him if he would buy a Captiva if it had a Daewoo badge on it, cos that's basically what it is (truth can be hard to swallow......).

If he wanted a vehicle to fly up hills with a caravan (reliably), then get 4000+cc with 6 of 8 cylinders.

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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 16:55

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 16:55
Thanks Mark...After letting my mate drive the Captiva I lease, he quietly conceeds that the (Daewoo assembled) Captiva would have been a better choice. However, the damage is done now. He, nor I am concerned about badge engineering or who builds what.

I'm not sure what you mean by "truth can be hard to swallow". I'm well aware that Captiva's are assembled in a Daewoo factory. I think all of Australia would know that. Did you know though that the V6 petrol engine in a Captiva is the same that is fitted in Commodores (not SIDI motors) and Collarado's? Hence making parts that bit easier to come by. (The engines are built in Melbourne).

Holden has dealerships in most largeish country towns, as does Ford and Toyota. The same can't be said for makes like Hyundai, Kia, Mazda, and even Nissan. Making parts and service difficult if a breakdown occurs outside of the metro area or further afield.

At the end of the day, people can buy what they want, I won't loose any sleep over it.
Cheers......
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Reply By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:30

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 08:30
Speedo out by 2-3 kph?? Shock horror.

Cruise control fluctuates -3 to +5 kph. Outrageous.

Your friend must've been feeling dyspeptic when he did that list.

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FWIW I find US News rankings and reviews worth a look. Summarises press reviews and reliability data.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:54

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:54
OK...personally a speedo that is 2-3 kms out, even I can live with.

However a cruise control that fluctuates from -3 to +5km/h on a flat road is unacceptable. That's 8km/h for no reason.

You can't tell me that is you were stuck behind a car that's just over taken you at 110km/h and then slows down 8km/h to 102, then back up and down etc, that wouldn't get up your goat.

Dyspeptic or not..... his assessment of the Santa Fe is pretty comprehensive. Like it or not. Can't blame the guy for being thorough.
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Follow Up By: Member - Sigmund (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:12

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:12
OK, the cruise control variation is excessive if it's on a flat road (but that wasn't mentioned?). On hilly drives, it would be an irritation and possibly a license danger. That range would be greater than I've had on my 3 CC equipped vehicles.

Overall, the new Santa Fe diesel has been getting good reviews; you wouldn't expect it to have the build quality of a Tojo for example but they are getting there. If you have expectations that you'll get a Tojo at a bargain price, course you'll be dissatisfied.
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:16

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 10:16
No offence to your mate, but thorough is one thing, being nit picky is another.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 11:06

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 11:06
Yes and No....sure there is some nit picky stuff in there but suspension that bottoms out, erratic cruise control, uncomfortable seats and plastic trims that drop off everytime you flip up the rear seats would annoy the hell out of even the most patient of persons.

Remember this is one persons opinion of a vehicle, sure everyone has their own opinions and varrying levels of tolerance.

Human nature is such that if we find something we are dis-satisfied with, we generally look harder for more things to pick on.

Getting back to the origins of this post....Hayely asked for an opinion, and the best opinion would be one that is from a current owner of a Santa Fe, and not a tyre kicker who's looked at one in a car yard. Fussy or not...that qualifies my mates review of this car.

Working in the auto industry myself......you'd be surprised at some of the complaints I hear of. What's nit picky to one person, is critical to another.
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Reply By: robertbruce - Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 20:50

Sunday, Nov 08, 2009 at 20:50
mention to your mate that cold air from the air-conditioner is used to demist windows in some modern cars
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