RE;Banning of Trailers etc on Canning Stock Route

Nugget,

Who is the National Four Wheel Association and what do they have to do with the CSR.

I don't belong to a 4WD club and have never heard of the Association so why should I listen to what they say?




This is going to be the argument that most will use to take a trailer on the CSR, and what can they do to enforce the restriction.
I know for a fact that not all vehicles obtain an permit to travel the CSR so what would stop them from taking a trailer.

Regardless if you agree or not with the trailer restriction or the permit it is going to be too hard to enforce and I think unworkable.

I do however agree with the restriction of trailers on the CSR and the Simpson Desert.

Wayne

I couldn't disagree more, just another excuse to penalise the majority for the actions of a few.

Why ban them off road completely?

Let's face it, plenty get into trouble in the High Country as well.

We just did the CSR with a convoy of 4 vehicles, 3 of which were towing campers. We got in to trouble less frequently than others that we spoke to not towing at all.
Bearing in mind that it was unseasonably hot 35 - 40 degrees, sure we got stuck in the hot soft sand a couple of times, but the lead vehicle simply backed up & gave a gentle pull over the last couple of metres.
No drama, no damage!

Its all been said before on this thread.

Trailers on the CSR

No point in perpetrating a load of rubbish again.

I have not travelled the CSR, but hope to one day with a camper trailer. But if a ban proceeds, it's only a matter of time until it is imposed in other situations.
The argument whether trailers should/should not be banned has, in effect, the same argumentative nonsense as Scruby and his mindless greenie followers relate to banning 4WD's irrespective of whether it is a little Suzuki or a Hummer.
Some well set up trailers, built strongly enough with good suspension and driven to suit the conditions with weight transferred to six wheels, should cause less damage than the same load on four wheels, even though all six wheels are not driven.
If licensing is required for travel in the areas, why couldn't an inspection or trailer specification be a part of the application for travel?
I shudder at the thought of people taking some of the on road or light off road camper trailers into extreme areas, but the same people who would do this are likely to do more damage with a single overloaded vehicle, especially with the obvious need for bulk loading requiring roof loads and the ensuing raising of the centre of gravity.
Common sense should be applied in all situations. A 4WD with sufficient power and tyres capable of spreading the load over sand, and pulling an off road trailer with good tyres, as long as articulation is not a problem in tight turns, should be an alternative to heavily loading a 4WD and risking not only rolling the vehicle, but dragging 3 to 4 tonnes on four wheels.
It should be a "horses for courses" mentality. The right vehicle, the right trailer, and the right driver should have a precedence over a bureaucratic simplistic decision.
My opinion only, humble or otherwise.
Cheers

are they going to ban motor bikes also?

Honky

I don't think it is the issue of "Will it bog or not" but the damage they do or don't do along the track.
In 2008 I did the route from south to north and saw possibly 40 trailers being towed in the space of 25 days. It did appear the vehicles were needing to give that extra grunt up the steeper hills (hence the bigger scollops of sand in the track). In the long term, with more vehicles doing the trip as it gets more popular, then perhaps limiting it to non trailers might be the option.
There must be a reason for the stations in the south for banning them.

Can anyone supply me with absolute authority, were I can not tow a trailer on any road in Australia.

If you can not do this then It is not illegal to do so in any shape or form.

Cheers Steve.

Nugget

The ANFWDA has no authority or jurisdiction whatsoever over the CSR. They only manage a permit system for the Martu Community for those travellers who want venture away from the Stock Route (along the route). At this stage there are no permits applicable to the whole of the CSR( though Bililuna Communty is toying with such an idea).

The CSR is a designated Stock Route and Public Thoroughfare and probably falls under the WA Land Management Act

The CSR is not a maintained road/track surface and as such, no damage can be attributed to the track surface. Sand shifts when driven over and therein lies the perceived problem.

Until the Government Department responsible for the CSR shifts its obligation of the CSR to an authority to enforce a plan of management there, can be no rules or guidelines promulgated. Access is by way of definition i.e. It is a Stock Route within its boundaries. Maybe someone can find the time to do research on the Exact definition.

Cheers

Willem

I asked Vivien C, why we needed a permit at all, and apparently if you do not get a permit, for the CSR, then you can rule out the Calvert Ranges, and other sidetracks, that venture off the the Stock Route.

Funny thing is that we did the right thing and got 8 or 9 permits in all, ane were never asked once by anybody for a look at them.

My only fear is that without a permit, no tourist ( that's what we are ) will be able to get fuel, in the communities, and wouldn't that bugger things up properly.

Cheers Mate
Bucky

I don't see the problem with towing trailers along the CSR, Simpson Desert or any other track or road in this big beautiful land. I have crossed the Simpson from MtDare to Birdsville and also the Telegraph track at Cape York and I towed my off road camper trailer all the way without any trouble and barely turning a tyre in some fairly rugged terrain. I towed the trailer with an almost stock standard Holden Rodeo. All it takes is a little common sense with your driving technique.
Get out there and enjoy yourself, and engage your brain before you engage 4WD.