Caravan Tyre Wear

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 18:51
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Just wondering if someone can shed some light on the cause/s of the wear I'm experiencing on my caravan tyres. They are 235/85/16's running at 50 psi fitted to a single axle caravan. I think it's called scalloping or cupping?

Cheers

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Reply By: oldpop - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:31

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:31
Looks like low pressure and needs shockers

Regards
Oldpop
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:49

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:49
Thanks oldpop, will investigate pressure and shocks
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:35

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:35
Only one side of the tyre ?

You could have a bent axle.

Regards

Derek from ABR.
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:50

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:50
Thanks Derek, has a new axle fitted but maybe nead to get it checked again
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Reply By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:42

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:42
Hi there, I am no tyre expert, but 50 PSI seems like one heck of a lot of tyre pressure for your single axle van?

We used to have a single axle 16 foot Jayco running on light truck tyres & if my memory serves me correctly ( & it's buggered!!) the van compliance plate stated about 32 PSI. The Tare weight on the compliance plate stated 1180 Kg. & whilst I never put it over a bridge, I always did an "educated" calculation of the weight of stuff loaded into it & therefore worked on a gross van weight of about 1500 Kg.

We used to actually run them (cold) at 35 PSI & never experienced any problems.
Is there some reason why you run them at 50 PSI?
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:54

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:54
Hi Barry, yes running them at 50 due to the weight, tare 2200kg and gtm 2600kg. It has 11 leaf springs and the tyres are rated at 1380 kg max load at 80 psi.
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:44

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:44
Sorry, stuffed that up, Should read :-

Tare 2020kg and ATM 2600kg
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Follow Up By: Patrol GU IV - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:13

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:13
An ATM of 2600 kgs on a single axle ?

Seems way to heavy to be on a single axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:16

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:16
I would seriously agree with that.

Could be why it needed a new axle.



Could be the wheel is badly out of balance.


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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:28

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:28
My single axle Supreme

ATM 1580kg
GTM 1490kg
Taremass 1280kg

tag states tyre pressure 400kpa (fare to high)

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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 07:50

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 07:50
Barry F
I have a 1999 single axle Jayco and the compliance plate says 380 kpa (55psi). I thought that was too high and ran them originally at about 38psi. After having travelled about 20,000k's both tyres (admittedly Dunlops) popped their inside walls and had to be replaced. This happened about 5000k's apart. On each occasion the tyre dealer supplying the replacement told me that I was running them too low. One guy suggested 60psi and the other 50. My van is a relative lightweight at 1150 and 1500. I now run at 50. No further problem yet. When the first one went it went off with quite a bang and fortunately I was travelling in convoy and the mate behind me could see the bulging wall under the van.

teege
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Reply By: Member - Toyocrusa (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:52

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:52
Hi. It is normally caused from misalignment. If you can place a straight edge across the drum face measure around 400mm in front and 400mm behind the drum and put a mark on the chasis. If you can measure from the edge of the straight edge to the face of the chasis at each 400mm point, the front measurement should be around 1mm less than the rear. (For example, 249mm front measurement, 250mm rear) I think much more variation than about 4mm will cause your problem. I had to adjust simplicity suspension recently that was doing the same thing on the LH front tyre and found the LH side toeing in 19mm and the RH side 4mm. The measurements still apply to single axles. Regards,Bob.
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:12

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:12
Thanks Bob, I''ll measure them up tomorrow

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 00:24

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 00:24
Just as a matter of interest we had this problem with the back duals on our almost new Mercedes buses.

They certainly werent out of alignement.

Scalloping can also be caused by excessive braking and accelerating as in going

into bus stops and taking off again lots of times in a day.

These tyres were at 90lb so were as hard as nails..

We just used to in and out them and they would sort of come right.

Sometimes it was just bad tyres and nothing would fix it.

Replace the tyre and it didnt do it so it wasnt the bus.

Maybe driving habits come into it a bit.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:59

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 19:59
I had similar wear but not as bad as yours. I had the local tyre bloke have a look and he said it is normal for trailer / caravan tyres to wear like that.
He said if you were to put them on a car/ ute they would flatten out real quick.

I think their is some merit in rotating tyres if possible.

Apart from the wear on the shoulders the uneven lug hieghts is similar to my camper trailer tyres. Don't worry too much.

Cheers Scoof . :-)
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:14

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 20:14
Thanks Scoof,


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Follow Up By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:06

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:06
We had the same trouble at work on a low loader and went for a highway pattern and the wear was a lot better.

The lugged tread just heeled and toed and looked just like yours.

Cheers Scoof . :-)
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:21

Wednesday, Nov 11, 2009 at 23:21
Most single axle vans have a payload weight of 300kg and a tandem has a 400kg limit except things like offroad vans like Kedrons etc

Seems strange that yours has 600kg and does it actually weigh that.

Perhaps why you bent the previous axle.





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Reply By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:39

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 12:39
Hi all

The van is actually a Kedron but has been modified and upgraded by the original chassis manufacturer to a revised ATM of 2600kg. All components are rated at 2600kg or better and it has all been approved by a QT Inspector. This was necessary in order to be safe and legal after we added extra batteries, solar panels etc.

According to weighbridge dockets, the Tare is now 2020kg, and fully loaded with all gear aboard, full water tanks, gas bottles etc. the weight is 2450kg. The tyres are rated at 1380kg each at a maximum of 80psi, which is adequate for the load. We’ve travelled over 50,000km in the last 18 months over many of the worst roads in Australia and have never had a puncture. This is probably because we have run pretty low pressures on the rough stuff as our philosophy has been that it’s better to sacrifice the tyres and save the van.

Unfortunately this has probably also led to the pattern of wear but the van itself has survived brilliantly with no structural damage at all. The axle had to be replaced as it had a slight bend on the right hand side after we hit a very deep, well concealed bulldust hole too hard. The bend wasn’t bad enough to be visible even to the guys who replaced the axle for us and the only way we found out about it was when we had a wheel alignment done thinking that was causing the tyre wear. We were actually told that it would probably have been fine the way it was but we didn’t want to take any chances considering the sort of roads and the isolation involved in our travels.

The van rides beautifully and is a dream to tow at any speed so I don’t think there is anything too bad going on. It sounds as if the tyre wear could be just pressure related and also attributed to the fact that we’ve done so many km’s on them in some pretty tough conditions.

Thanks to all who have taken the time to reply and all suggestions will be taken on board and checked out.

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Horacehighroller - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 14:41

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 14:41
WYSIWYG,
I can understand why you would lower the pressure on rough/gravel roads, but if the maximum load is 1360kg/wheel you are pretty close to that, so should not the pressure for sealed roads be closer to the 80psi as speced on the tyre?

Peter
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:09

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 15:09
Hi Peter

Yes I tend to agree with you. I have been running them too low and I think now that is the primary cause of the tyre wear problem.

According to calculations I've found elsewhere I should be running them closer to 70psi on the blacktop.

1380kg x 2 = 2760kg
2450kg / 2760kg x 100 = 88%
80psi x 88% = 70psi

Having said that though I've never had a puncture and no other damage that could be attributed to running low tyre pressures so maybe I should just be thankful for small mercies, lol.

Cheers
Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 18:40

Thursday, Nov 12, 2009 at 18:40
hi there
wysiwyg

read all of this and i might add that i have had a simular problem on a 18ft viscount tamdem axle years ago on a trip around aus
and the wear like yours was caused through going off and on the broken jargard edge of the sealed rds and was only on the van left side tyres

only you would know if in your 50 odd th km's whether you have done this frequently and also slightly loose wheel bearing can cause simular wear
and or axle alignment which has been raised.
cheers
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