4x4 or 4WD ??

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:16
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I've got a restored 'Blitz' truck coming in next week for some decal restoration. One of the decals denotes 4x4 !! And I think the Studebaker trucks were 6x6 (not 6WD)...

So when did 4x4 become 4WD ?? Or is a 4WD the puncey permanent 4WD SUVs. Subarus, Mitsy EVOs, Prados and the like...???

Is there a (loose) definition of a 4x4 as opposed to a 4WD ??

(by the way- our Iveco is defined and badged as a 4x4)



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Reply By: garrycol - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:41

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:41
4wd and 4x4 is one in the same as far as the lingo goes - able to handle moderate to heavy offroad conditions. Yes technically any vehicle that has all wheels drive is either.

These lesser four wheel drive vehicles are normally referred to as an AWD in the case of cars or softroaders for townie type 4x4 wagons that can only handle light off road conditions.

Garry
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:09

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:09
Garry,

AWD was coined by Subaru.


I thought 4x4 was an American term with 4WD being a rest-of-the-world term? I personally dislike 4x4.
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Follow Up By: Rolly - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:48

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:48
Not really Subaru.

8 wheel drive Saracen and Salamander military vehicles were often referred to as 'All Wheel Drive".

I would guess that others carried this description as well.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:33

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:33
Garrycol,
I own a fulltime (AWD) 4x4 80 series 1997 Toyota Landcruiser multivalve turbo diesel, now, would you call that a townie type softroader that can only handle light offroad conditions? Careful !
Next we will hear a SAR Kenworth is powered by Suzuki Jiminy donk.
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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:44

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:44
Photos of restored CMPs on this site:

http://www.canadianmilitarypattern.com/

Can't see to many 4x4 stickers :)

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Follow Up By: signman - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:02

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:02
It's not a Military vehicle,,it's ex SMA...

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Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:56

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 13:56
Signman,

I would go for either 4X4 or 6X6 decal which ever is the correct type of drive.

A 4WD decal would look to modern on a vehicle that old.

Wayne
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Follow Up By: signman - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:09

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:09
Hiya Wayne,

I think Troopy is a 4x4 ??

And howz the house going ?? Checked it out a while back and it was still standing.
We have sold at Orchard Hills & off to Emu Heights..



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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:03

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:03
A 6X4 would be six wheels but only 4 were driven at the same time ie. it has a lazy axle.

KK
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Follow Up By: signman - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:07

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:07
I think the Studebaker is (was) a true '6x6'....!!
But thats not the gist of my inquiry...

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Follow Up By: Phil and Sue - Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:51

Thursday, Nov 19, 2009 at 12:51
The Studebaker was a true six wheel drive. A true 6x6.

But a note to the purists: The diffs on the ones I drove were not lockable so it could be said it was a three WD.

Phil
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Reply By: Rolly - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:44

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:44
Same thing.

Only different.

Does it matter?

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Reply By: Horacehighroller - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:50

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 14:50
G-day Signman,

4 x 2
4 x 4
6 x 2
6 x 4
6 x 6
8 x 4
8 x 8

are all essentially technical terms, particularly in relation to trucks, denoting firstly the number of wheels and then the number of driven wheels.

4wd (as I hope everyone knows) is an abreviation of "4 wheel drive" which I came into use in the early days of 4x4's being used non-commercially by lay people who did not understand "4 x 4".

IMHO
Peter
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Reply By: Member - DW (NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 15:44

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 15:44
Why don't you contact the Australian War Museum to get an authentic reply?

DW
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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 19:11

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 19:11
The first common vehicles with four-wheel drive were the ex military Jeeps and the Landrovers and they were referred to as being a "4X4" or a "four-wheel-drive" and sometimes as a "fourby". (Yes, I do know that there were much earlier vehicles with all four wheels driven. I did say "common")

Of course, during WWII and after there were a number of trucks with four or more wheels driven and usually referred to as 4X4 or 6X6 etc. I seem to remember that the Toyota Landcruisers used on the Snowy Mountains project we referred to as 4X4's.

I think the expression "4WD" was not used until maybe about early or mid 1960's in marketing the new breed of comfortable 4WD sedans for popular use.

Toyota's current website refers to "If you want to buy a 4WD, 4X4 or SUV, Toyota's extensive range of 4WD vehicles suit a variety of needs." so they are playing it both ways.

Cheers
Allan

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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:09

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 20:09
Signman,

If the "Blitz" was ex army it would have had a brass Classification plate attached somewhere in the cab stamped something like this:
Truck Ford (or Chevrolet) 3 ton GS 4x4. (plus some other details like tyre pressures ,max and min, oils required and so on)

A "Blitz" 2wd (and there were quite a few of them) would therefore be classified
Truck Chevrolet (or Ford) 3 ton 4x2 and the rest of it

That was the way it was done, probably still is. A Landrover ex army I once owned had a similar plate
Truck Landrover 1/4 Ton GS 4x4 which I took off after rebuilding back to civilian speci's then sold it. The plate is still around in a box somewhere.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Rick (S.A.) - Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 21:21

Tuesday, Nov 17, 2009 at 21:21
AFAIK, a four wheel drive Blitz is going to be either a Ford (V8) or a Chevrolet (straight 6). And yes, I recall they were 3 ton.

I'm not so sure Studebakers were Blitzes, but I have been wrong before (!)

I drove Ford & Chev blitzes for a while on several stations. With oversize tyres and singles instead of duals on the rear, they were very useful.

I recall one Chev in particular was a little challenging to drive. If your gearchanges were not silky smooth, the top of the gearbox - the selectors in other words - would lift off and you'd be left holding the gear stick, with the selectors, in your left hand. A glance down past your hip and you could see all the gogs moving nicely!

But by crikey, they had uncomfortable driving positions. But that's the way it was. No ergonomic stuff involved, they did a job & the driver was not much considered.

Cheers

BTW, how long since you drove a vehicle that it was essential to double de-clutch in????
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Follow Up By: signman - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:36

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 at 09:36
Hiya Disco,
The query was not to determine the nomenclature of a prticular vehicle, rather the 'difference' (if any) bewteen the term 4x4 and 4WD !!
Thanks for your input,

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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:30

Wednesday, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:30
Hi signman,

Yep, I understood that your question was "when did 4x4 become 4WD".

After my earlier response above I started searching and damned if I can find much solid documentary support for my own memory as above.

Certainly the term 4WD was applied after the original term 4X4 but by whom and when I cannot determine. The problem is that contemporary writers use "4WD" when referring to even early model vehicles which may earlier have been referred to as "4X4" in their time. so history has been re-written. The only sure way is to locate original printed matter which may reveal the first use of "4WD".

I did find references that the Range Rover was referred to as a "4X4" throughout its time from 1970 to present. Whereas the Land Cruiser seems to be more often referred to as a "4-wheel drive" since its beginnings in Australia in 1958.

The first such vehicles I drove were Series 1 Landrovers on the Woomera Rocket Range in 1954 and we never seemed to use the terms "4X4" or "4WD" but simply "Landrovers".

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Allan

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