solar panels
Submitted: Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 19:51
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scoota
Ive just bought a 120w folding solar panel to run off a deep cycle battery when
camping, and I've got some questions:
1. I want to run 15metres of cable from the panel to the 4wd - is it ok to plug the panel into a 12v accessory plug (cig lighter) rather than direct to battery?
2. Would 6mm cable twin sheath (distance over 15m) be thick enough?
3. Is it ok to have the regulator attached direct to the panel or is it better positioned in the 4wd.
Cheers, Scoota
Reply By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 20:24
Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 20:24
Hi Scoota
I would run direct to the battery via reg placed as near bat as possble
Cable size should be ok
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:30
Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:30
Scoota
1. A 120W panel facing directly at the sun should produce about 7 to 8 amps. A cigarette lighter plug will probably be ok between battery and panel, but I'd strongly recommend something a bit better and much more reliable. Cig plugs are really pretty crude. I use cannon style connectors which are readily available from Jaycar, Dick Smith etc - these provide 3,4,5 or 6 pins, each rated at 6 amps. By using 4 pins (2 for each wire) I get 12 amp capacity in a simple robust click-locking fitting. The smaller Anderson plugs are probably the best choice.
One issue with batteries and panels is the question of which one gets the male plug and which one the female (socket.) Generally speaking, the female plug should be connected to the current source. Problem is, both battery and panel are sources. Since the battery is capable of delivering the highest current, the female should be fitted there. Very important - because the battery is capable of delivering very high current, a fuse MUST be fitted right at the battery to safeguard battery and wiring, and reduce the risk of fire.
2. Wire sizes are a pain. I use twin 6mm^2 cable (copper cross section of 6 square mm) for this job. Beware of "automotive" 6mm cable - it will fit through a 6mm diameter hole, but may have very little copper inside the plastic.
3. I suggest keep the regulator close to the battery. There will be unavoidable voltage losses in the cable which are quite tolerable "upstream" of the regulator, i.e. between the panel and the regulator, but best avoided between the regulator and the battery. I'd go from the panel through the 15m cable to the regulator then through a fuse to the battery.
You might be interested in our blog
Electricity for Camping which covers a lot of ground, including solar options.
HTH
John
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Follow Up By: scoota - Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:36
Monday, Nov 23, 2009 at 21:36
Thanks John - your info is great. I'll check out the blog you suggested.
I forgot to check - is a 10amp regulator the one to use for a 120w panel?
Cheers, Scoota
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:18
Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 07:18
Hi Scoota - A 10A regulator should handle the job
well, as you won't see more than about 8A from your 120W panel.
Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: scoota - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 20:33
Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 20:33
Hi again John, thanks for your helpful info - one more question:
I have 2 x 60w panels each with a little black box on the back where pos. and neg. wires exit. Is it ok to connect the 2 positives and 2 negatives to a Anderson plug which
well then run 10m to the regulator positioned near the battery?
Cheers, Scoota
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 07:24
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 07:24
Hi Scoota,
Sorry for the late reply. I see though that Derek and others have responded and given good comprehensive advice. You may find it convenient to fit Anderson plugs between the 2 panels (that way the panels can be seperated) with positive connected to positive and negative to negative. Then the 10m cable could either be connected permanently to either panel (if storage of the cable isn't a problem) or another Anderson plug used to connect either panel to a removable cable.
Cheers
John
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Follow Up By: scoota - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 15:05
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 15:05
Hi John and Val,
Thanks again for your helpful info - it's been great! I knew zip about solar a week ago.
Cheers, Scoota
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 16:14
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 16:14
"Problem is, both battery and panel are sources. "
- if you short out the solar panel, 8 amps will flow, if you short out the battery cable, over 1000 amps can flow.
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Reply By: RV Powerstream P/L - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:49
Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 08:49
Good advice given so far and just to confirm it .
15M of 6M2 cable with 6A would give a voltage drop of 0.616V drop so if regulator is at panel to whatever your reg is set at would be less the volt drop at the batteries.
If the panels produce more amps then that would be worse so poor charging.
If the reg is at the batteries then the voltage drop from the solar to the reg becomes a lesser problem as the VOC could be 17V + so the voltage drop still gives an acceptable voltage at the regulator which possibly would be set to 14.4V depending on what batteries you have.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 16:17
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 16:17
Hopefully he won't confuse 6 square millimetre cable with 6mm Automotive cable.
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Follow Up By: RV Powerstream P/L - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 17:08
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 17:08
Yes Mike Thank you I should have been a bit more specific.
6MM auto cable is only 4.5M2 .
ian
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:54
Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:54
scoota, as Ian has also stated, the cable will be too small, will give you a Voltage drop you don't need, as I've advised you previously use larger capacity cable, but looks like you don't want to hear that because you start a new thread and ask the same question again when it's been answered previously.
1. Definately DON'T use a cig lighter plug
2. definately NOT thick enough
3. Attach the regulator near the battery
Maîneÿ . . .
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