Cost of Fuel Expansion in the Heat

Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 13:03
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In Adelaide when I purchase LPG for our car or Diesel in the bush for the Cruiser on a hot day, from Fuel Storage Tanks that are in the open Sun, (instead of underground) at the back of my mind I am annoyed that I did not purchase fuel earlier and I an not getting value for money.

What is the Fuel expansion ratio to temperature.
eg:
Diesel at 20deg a Lt is a Lt.

Diesel at 40deg a Lt out of the bowser is really .95 of a Lt into my tank.

Comments appreciated.

Peter
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 13:29

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 13:29
Almost nothing Peter

Often hear some say fill up when colder in morning , and there is a slight effect (under 1%) but basically a myth.

This is because the huge fuel storage tank takes a long time (longer than overnight) to cool down appreciably.

So if it was 20 overnight / 40 during day then underground tank would change by under 2 degrees.

In your case of above ground tank then temp change is more but harder to figure out because of size / exposure etc , but I would estimate a 10,000 gallon tank above ground would still change less than 5 degrees (except for bit left in hose).

Now if you could buy in middle of winter and hold till summer .......
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Follow Up By: Roughasguts - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:28

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:28
Back in the dim dark ages at Bathurst they use to try and freeze (well super cool) the fuel so they could get more in the racing cars. I don't think they bother these days.
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Reply By: you eat the bear - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:19

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:19
I think that you will find that the major fuel distributors measure at both Ambient Temp and/or 15 degrees (theoretical below ground temp known as L15).
They are aware that there is a variance due to temperature caused expansion but is the retailer as vulnerable to this as we are? The tankers delivering fuel are generally filled at L15 degrees and deliver at Ambient. Not sure what the retailer is charged for.
Take away the outrageous fuel Excise and Taxes - and the difference is not worth a mention.
Of course in your example you are also paying Tax on that extra nothing that you are getting in your tank. That may be the norm of course.....


Steve


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Reply By: robertbruce - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:24

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 16:24
what amazes me about buying fuel is the handle heats up as if the fuel is warmer than the steel it travels thru and the ground it travels from...

nope, it's not heat from my hand, no matter how i hold the handle the elbow join gets warm....
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Follow Up By: StormyKnight - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:24

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 18:24
I disagree, when I fill up the handle goes colder...... perhaps it depends on where the tanks are or how deep they are.....
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Reply By: Member - Amy G (SA) - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 19:53

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 19:53
Yep, really not worth worrying about!
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Reply By: snapper49 - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 21:06

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 21:06
If you look closely at An LPG bowser you should see words to the effect 55 cents a litre at a temp of 25c I think
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Reply By: Keith Berg - Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 15:42

Thursday, Nov 26, 2009 at 15:42
Peter,
Petrol expands by about 0.12% or every 1 degree centigrage over 15 degrees. This has been a big bone of contention for service station operatrors for many years. Fuel transfers between oil companies themselves and between oil companies and bulk buyers have always been corrected to the volume as it would be at 15 degrees. Excise is also charged at 15 degrees. LPG has always been temperature corrected at the retail bowser but pertol and diesel are sold to the consumer at whatever temperature they happen to be.
Old car racers used to say that a tank full of refrigerated fuel would give them one extra lap from a tank at Bathurst, but I duuno about that.
If you bought 100 litres at 35 degrees rather than at, say, 15 degrees, you would be short changed by 2.4 litres.
If the fuel is stored above ground in an area with cold nights and hot days, I'd be buying before breakfast.
Keith


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