Campervans on the Canning!

Submitted: Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:14
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Plans are underway for a Campervan trip of the Canning Stock Route in 2010. Vehicles at the moment are a couple of Isuzu NPS? 4x4, a couple of Iveco 4x4, a Tatra SWB from South Africa and a German Unimog (ex Dakar Rally).
All of the 'crews' have had extensive off road type experience both in Oz, and even Nth African deserts of Morocco, Algiers and the Sahara.
All the vehicles will be adequately prepared and equipped for the trip.
Timing will be July/August.

However, none of us have done the Canning trip, so we are open to suggestions as to what not to miss- what precautions- what direction (we are planning Nth to Sth) etc etc

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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:17

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:17
I'm not too sure where this came from, but I have heard that they are planning to ban trailers on the canning? Could be just an urban myth, but most of this stories have some truth in em somewhere.
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Follow Up By: signman - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:19

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:19
No trailers involved here...

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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:47

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:47
i reckon after you put half a dozen trucks through there they will start to consider banning anything...

can;t you go to africa and do this sort of thing, less greenies there...
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Follow Up By: signman - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:54

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:54
robertbruce

I reckon these vehicles will have less impact than the gooses (or is it geese)- that rip up the tracks with over loaded vehicles- with over inflated tyres- dragging over-rated 'trailers' ..



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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:03

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:03
signman have you done the CSR?
It would very hard not to loaded.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:04

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:04
Forgot to add .. have a great trip, you will love it!

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Follow Up By: signman - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:22

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:22
Hi Shaker
If you read my initial post- no, we have not 'done' the CSR..
There is a big difference between being sensibly 'loaded' for such a trip...and stupidly 'over-loaded' that I have witnessed on other occassions.
I do appreciate that more than normal requirements will be needed.



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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:27

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:27
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signman

your probably right, so is it the CT's that will be banned first?? and then the trucks??
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:26

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:26
The banning of anything on the CSR is an urban myth. It is a public access thoroughfare.


Cheers


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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 21:58

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 21:58
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at the last EO meet me and three envioromental-science students sat on the hill north of you's to watch all the nomads hooning thier ct's over the dunes...these kids swore black and blue they woulnt let thier kids do such a thing..

lol.lol.lol.... alright this didnt happen then and there, but i did take some ES students to Teewah and we did watch some idiots destroy what was left of the dunes after the storms..

urban myth or not, the tide is changing for conservation, it prolly not happenning fast enough....
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 23:50

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 23:50
Yerr Robert...that's why I am getting out there now afore the conservation people shut the whole place down.

Dunno if Conservation will work though as another 2,000,000,000 people are due to be added to this planet before too long :-)
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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 08:35

Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 08:35
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come to think of it, it's more preservation than conservation....

Honestly Will, visit Eli Creek Airport, the creek runs straight out into the salt, no more of the beautifull meadering for a kilometer along the front dunes...

Gee, making all those people will be fun....lol...
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:54

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:54
signman

Yep, no problem with your vehicles. It has been done before numerous times with larger trucks

I suggest you buy the book Canning Stock Route- A Travellers Guide by Ronel and Eric Gard ISBN: 0 9586715 1 6 for comprehensive information.

You may also have a read here on my website Canning Stock Route


Cheers
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Follow Up By: signman - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:56

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:56
Hiya Willem.....yes, we have that 'bible' ....
And a good few maps...

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Reply By: dieseltojo - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:37

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 14:37
Hi signman,
With those vehicles you should have no trouble at all.I think there will be no dune that will give you any trouble with your low gearing in the bigger units.
We did the trip with 8 Toyota's and one Nissan Patrol. and were heavily laden due to 280 litres fuel and 100 litres of water.We came up from south to North .We all had tents.The Nissan was only a year old but is driven hard and was the only vehicle to suffer any real damage.We re welded the top spring mount back in place with 3 batteries linked.Luckily we had an excellent welder in the group and some skilled mechanics as well.
Just get your fuel and water requirements right and every thing else will fall into place.Regards Paul.
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Reply By: Crackles - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:09

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:09
One issue the group may have is with tyre damagae. Vehicles with a track wider than that of the usual Landcruisers & Patrols will tend to always have one pair of wheels just off the worn path & do sustain additional punctures.
As for suggestions just read the Canning Book & apply for permits to all side trips along the way as for us many of the highlights were off the usual beaten track.
Cheers Craig..............
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Reply By: rocco2010 - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:14

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:14
Gidday

How big are these campers?

I am surprised that no one has mentioned this already ... the section of the CSR through Cunyu Station -- the southern end -- is barred to large vehicles, ie anything with a track bigger than a troopy. They bar trailers too. It is a pastoral lease and they can decide who drives their tracks. So you may have to start/finish via Granite Peake or Glenayle.


And before anybody fires up, this information comes from the Exploroz trek notes on this site and I have seen it elsewhere

It is a magic part of the world and like so many of Australia's outback explorations if you wrote the story of how Alf Canning built the stock route as a novel no publisher would touch it on the grounds that it was unbelievable. He was an amazing man.


Cheers

Rocco
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:29

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:29
Rocco,

You're correct in saying no trailers and or wide vehicles. Here is a copy of the sign at Well 5

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:06

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:06
G'day Phil

I do sometimes wonder just how any of these suggested no-no's are enforced?

If the track is not maintained and travellers use the track at their own risk then what is the issue?

I surmise the station owners have no legal standing whatsoever and that the sign is all bluff.


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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 17:30

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 17:30
Hi Willem,

Apparently under WA pastoral lease conditions they do have the right to control the track.

The reason for the sign and no go to trailers etc is that the station owners are sick and tired of having to rescue the unprepared and those that get stuck. Being the first station close to Wiluna they cop more than a fair share of wannabes and clowns who do the wrong thing, camping, lighting fires, shooting cattle, tanks etc etc .

Sadly all people who access the place are lumped together and if people abuse what the station owner thinks is a fair thing then they may close that part of the CSR completely i.e. fences across etc etc and we wouldn't want that.

I'm not sticking up for the station owner just reporting what I have heard and read over the years.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 00:00

Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 00:00
Phil

I will do a search on what the truth may be re WA Pastoral Lease conditions.

Rocco

I do not wish to denigrade Alfred Canning's achievements but as I recall he and his workers captured and chained aborigines and deprived them of water so that they could show the well sinkers where the natural waters were.


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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 06:55

Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 06:55
Hi Willem,

Yes Canning and his men did do as you say, but they did not harm them.
A Royal Commission was held in 1908 to explore claims of such and all of Canning's men were exonerated.

Although today the above would be politically incorrect we need to remember that this occurred in 1906/07 and was considered acceptable and not politically incorrect back then.

Many say that the CSR is public access, that is true, however the original access way/ cattle pad in many places isn't where the track takes you today. Hence the need for travel approval because you are accessing private land often.


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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 08:55

Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 08:55
Hi Phil

"Yes Canning and his men did do as you say, but they did not harm them."

I cannot believe that you have said that, Phil. Slavery was abolished between 1833 and 1862. Royal Commissions are as flawed as the Law itself.

There is a distinct difference between Private Land and Pastoral Leasehold. Recently I met a Pastoralist up in the Northwest of WA who was happy to have visitors to certain areas of his domain as long as they did not interfere with his farming activities. This person inidcated that in essence, that is what Pastoral Land was all about. Others do take a different view, I know. Persons holding a Western Australian Miners Right doing bona fide prospecting have a right to enter pastoral lands as long as they advise the Leaseholder of their intentions.

We have different points of view here and it could go on ad infitum so maybe if you wish to continue our 'discussion' we may do it Off Forum

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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:58

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 15:58
The two issues that I feel you need to think about are height and track width. Be prepared for some major overgrown sections that will scratch and stake tyres.

Peter
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Follow Up By: Batboy - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:13

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 16:13
And nothing spoils a good trip more than scratched tires hehe..
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Reply By: mechpete - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 17:21

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 17:21
hi there .
if your vehicles are any wider than a toyota or nissan then you will have a
problem with wheels off the tyre tracks an into the sticks and things that destroy paint an tyres .
mechpete
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Follow Up By: robertbruce - Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 21:47

Friday, Nov 27, 2009 at 21:47
lol.... and lets not forget what those nasty thorny bushes will do to the vehicles sills and undercarriage's ... better take some machette's so you can make wider tracks...
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Reply By: Will 76 Series - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 00:40

Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 00:40
NO dramas with getting a camper trailer through on dry paddocks, however when we did it in Jun there were several wetspots which required us to do some snatching and winching. A bit more work when trailers are involved but overall I reckon 80% of the track you can get a good 4wd trailer through no problems. Just take it easy and enjoy yourselves.
Next hot tip is to gather firewood prior to night spot as most of the well known camps have none around.
CSR is a must do.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 04:53

Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 04:53
signman

We did the Canning in August, this year, with trailers, ans out loaded weight was 4.7 tonne. Never had an issue with getting bogged on the dunes. Never once had to be winched. and only 3 times did we have to have a second go, at the dunes, in which case it was our fault caused by a blazzeee attitude, or just lack of concentration.

If you read some of our earlier posts,

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you will find out that we found it rather easy, and very beautiful. However that is not to say that we did not do out homework. We had low tyre pressured ,, ie 12 psi front;...15 psi rear;....12 psi in the camper.. and was prepared to drop them to 8 psi, in a pinch, but never had to go there once..

Never once had to use those hideous run ups, that you will see, as we called them the " 55 psi club" or the " jumbo jet landing strips "..

Our friends Viv & Ray, and Bails did the same.


We did North to Well 33..... out to the Pilbra, and up to Broome and the GRR. Wyndham & Kunnanurra, then the Bungles, Hall's Creek. to Billiluna and down the Canning to Well 33 and back to alice along the Gary junction Rd, and then home to Wonthaggi, Vic )

Enjoy, and do not listen to the knockers about trailers, as thay do not know what they are on about ....

Cheers
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