Landcruiser problem
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 15:48
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Johnbb
I have a 2000 Diesel Landcruiser. Ten months and 28000 klms ago, Toyota replaced my injector pump. The pump appears to have failed again. Every mechanic I talk to can't believe that it has failed again. The era message (P1220/14 {d1-87}) states it may be something to do with the timing control valve or pump. The car has always been serviced. Each mechanic has checked filters and fuel and found both to be perfect. The motor sounds as though it is being starved of fuel or that the timing is way out. There is an intermittent rattling noise with a loss of power. At first this just happens occasionally. The car is actually driveable, so far, but the loud revving or rattling has people in the street turning to look. Has anybody come across this before? Can you help?
Reply By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:03
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:03
hi no
that's a bit of a worry when it's a new beaut 200 series might be a computor malfunction thats the problem with these new fangled technologies could be a few japs scratching their heads right now
hope they can sort it for you i'd personelly be reluctant to drive it like that
but i've always been led to believe by toyota owners that they never ever give any trouble
well that was until i joined this site
cheers and good luck
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Follow Up By: Johnbb - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:10
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 16:10
Actually it is a 100 series built in 2000. Its done 300000 klms, which is why a new pump went in last year. I'm told that Toyota guarantee their genuine parts for 12 months, with unlimited klms. I hope this is true but I'm getting different feedback, and of course, the run around by Toyota.
Otherwise the cruiser has been perfect. But like you, I'm starting to have my doubts when mechanics can't isolate the problem!
Thanks anyway.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:10
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:10
Good golly miss molly,
Johnbb, there's a big difference between a 100 series and a 200 series.
Sort of blows your Post's credibility a bit.
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Follow Up By: Johnbb - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:30
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:30
Thanks for your cynacism 'Gone Bush". Sorry I can't type
well!
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 22:03
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 22:03
Johnbb,
I think we all understand that an occasional typo can creep into our messages from time to time.
However, Gonebush has good a very valid point.......
If I wrote that I had a 3 litre Patrol and it has blown up, then everybody would assume that I was talking about a GU Patrol circa 2000 to 2007/8/9 etc.
However, if I meant that i had an RB30 Patrol (a GQ from the early 90's), that would change the whole complexion of my post.
When you start a post and mention a specific vehicle that you are having trouble with, I think it is vitally important that you at least proof read the salient points. In this case, the fact that you left a "0" off the 2000 (making it a 200 Landbruiser), has totally corrupted the intent of your message/question.
Cheers
Roachie
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:30
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:30
Take it straight to a specialist diesel place for their professional opinion then armed with the knowledge of what the problem is, go to the fitting dealer and don't take no for an answer.
Cheers
Dave
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:53
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 17:53
You post states a 200 Diesel Landcruiser, so my initial reaction was another 200 series with pump issue? I think you meant 2000 model 100 series by reading your 2nd post?
That being the case I would take it to a Diesel Specialist, I doubt 2 pumps would fail, very unlikely? A diesel specialist will be able to run some tests on pump and other parts to isolate the problem.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 21:16
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 21:16
Have 200 series got problems with their pumps?
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Reply By: Johnbb - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:02
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:02
You are correct. It is a 100 series. I meant to type the year, 2000!!
It's back in the hands of a Toyota dealer now, since it started this problem again as I returned from Victoria and I had to leave it, and get a lift home.
I'm just trying this site to see if anybody else has had a similar problem. If I can find out, maybe I can speed up the repair process.
If I can find the problem, and feel comfortable that it has been resolved, I know I will have a car I can keep for years to come. Even though it has many K's on it, it uses no oil, has no other vices, and is a pleasure to drive.
Plus, of course, I've set it up the way that I want- with all the toys etc.etc.
Thanks for youe thoughts.
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Follow Up By: Falco80 - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:23
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 18:23
Have you asked the question in the 100 series section on
LCOOL.org? Lots of cruiser' experts floating around there and l think would be more beneficial than a generic site like this.
Good luck with it anyway, the 1HD-FTE's are great engines!
Cheers,
Dan
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Reply By: Roughit Instyle - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 19:21
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 19:21
John - our 100 series TD had a similar problem in the outback last year and on returning home and having an auto electrician spend over five hours searching, he finally found that the lowest electrical plug on the fuel injector pump was loose. Very difficult to get at. It was eventually tightened, and a cable tie fitted as precaution.
Could be worth checking the electrical harness to that particular plug. We have not had any problems since.
Good luck
Ngaire
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 15:25
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 15:25
John, My neighbour had the same sounding fault and was fixed as above.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 19:54
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 19:54
Hi John, why not also post your query on the LCOOL site where there might be better coverage for your vehicle. You need to register as a member but it's free. I've found the site very useful since I was referred to it 6 months ago.
http://www.lcool.org/
Cheers. J.
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Reply By: Johnbb - Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 23:00
Saturday, Nov 28, 2009 at 23:00
To Ngaire, JB and Dan
Thanks for the positive replies. I appreciate your thoughts.
Note: Never make a mistake on this site!
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:38
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:38
John,
Nobody is having a go at you.
It is very hard to help when we don't know what motor you have.
There were two diesel motors in Landcruisers in 2000 - the normally aspirated diesel and the factory turbo diesel. Which one is yours?
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Johnbb - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:57
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:57
Phil
I have the factory turbo.
I have never been on a
forum site, so I was surprised to hear somebody attack my site's credibility over a minor mistake when all I was asking for was advice. Or do some people post bogus stories sometimes? Like I said, I'm new at this.
One other thing about this problem, is that about a month ago I tried to drive the vehicle, the rattling started, and I could not go more than 20kph for about 300 metres. There was no power. Then suddenly the rattle stopped and the car ran perfectly again. I took the car into the local Toyota place since the engine light was on. They checked it on the computer, tightened a few fittings and gave it back to me. The car then went perfectly for the next 2000 Klms. Being an intermittent problem makes it hard to diagnose I think.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:28
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:28
John,
Its also possible that air is being entrained in the fuel, and that your injector pump itself is OK. I'm guessing thats what the dealer thought too.
The injector pump sucks the fuel from the tanks. If you have a loose clamp on a fuel line, or crack in the fuel filter housing or similar, then air can be sucked in at that point causing an intermittent problem. I'm assuming that you dont run either of the tanks dry.
As far as forums go, you would get the same response on any
forum. When someone posts a question, its good to check for typos or errors before you click the submit button. In your case, you were unlucky enough to post "200" which as you know is the current series Landcruiser with the TT V8 and which has had the odd injector issue. On some other forums they make you leave a signature which includes your vehicle (in your case a HDJ100) to prevent this from happening. The people who reply to your post sometimes spend considerable time and effort to give you an answer. They can get annoyed if their time is wasted.
Hope your problem gets sorted - they are a good vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Johnbb - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:55
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 10:55
Phil
Thanks for the advice- on both counts.
I don't ever let the tanks run dry.
I plan to give the comments to the dealer in case it is of some help.
Cheers and thanks again.
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:11
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:11
Air in a system can cause a loud rattle, I have no idea why, but have come across this before.
Air can also cause poor performance, due to the air compressing, and not injecting fuel.
Maybe a quick run around the hose clamps from the
tank, and inspect the fuel priming pump atop the filter too.
Hilux priming pumps are bad for this, particularly after a filter change where the pump gets used, and the diaphragm gets moved, and opens up the cracks in it.
But again, Lcool, and a diesel
shop are good advice.
Trains
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Reply By: fisho64 - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 03:01
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 03:01
I think the Toyota parts warranty depends on if they or someone else fits it. 3 years 100000k's I think if they do it.
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Follow Up By: puttputt - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:07
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 11:07
Can you not edit to correct 2000 instead of 200?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54
Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54
You cannot edit posts on this site.
Something which could be considered desirable as on the C&M
forum
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Reply By: maccavh88 - Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 22:22
Sunday, Nov 29, 2009 at 22:22
i had a 100 series and had no end of trouble until i stopped using enviromentaly friendly diesel. no trouble at all on bp or mobile
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