Battery Protector Cut Out Device - Doesn't Work

Hi All

I've got one of those battery protector cut out devices that's designed to cut out power to portable fridges and other 12V appliances, so you have a enough power to start your car. The problem is that they don't work properly

The units are designed to cut voltage at 11.2 volts, so that you will be able to start your car - the problem is the voltage is too low are you still need a jump start.

I've used the device on 2 different cars and both times it has cut the voltage, but the vehicle will not start - due to not enough power being available.

My advice to anyone is to not trust these devices, as you could get stuck!!

Goodluck
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:36

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:36
I have always thought that they are set at 11.2 to protect the battery from deep discharge.
Safe starting would be around 12volts.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:39

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:39
That's a good point, but probably wouldn't apply to just overnight.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:43

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:43
Hi Philip
11.2v is a flat battery do that a few times & even a deep cycle will not last very long.!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 12:56

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 12:56
If you stop discharging a car-size battery at 11.2 volts, it will still have 50% capacity remaining - if you measured the voltage while discharging at 250 amps.

Cutout voltage must be totally dependant on the maximum discharge current.
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 14:03

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 14:03
hi
the battery u use these devices on needs to be in good condition to start with
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:37

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:37
Hi Ozwasp

Very true, 11.2v is a flat battery.
IF you have a long run of undersized cable & loosing say 1v in that then it will protect the bat
I gather this is an elcheapo from Super cheap or Kmart
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:39

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:39
Hi Ozwasp
should add as long as its @ the fridge end of the run.
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:40

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:40
Ebay actually.... Do the dearer ones do anything differently??
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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:41

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:41
Not sure if I follow you Oldtrack123?
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:53

Monday, Nov 30, 2009 at 21:53
Hi Ozwasp
"Do the dearer ones do anything differently??"
You need one that cuts out @ 12v approx.
What type, brand fridge.???

"should add as long as its @ the fridge end of the run.?
If you have it as close as possible to the fridge & loose voltage [say1v]@the fridge due to undersized wiring then it may work BUT the fridge may not take kindly to the low voltage or work efficiently
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 07:19

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 07:19
Ozwasp,

The low voltage cut out device is working if as you state it has cut out the voltage.

The problem you have is you are using the wrong type of battery. 11.2 volts is too low for a starting battery to provide enough grunt to start your vehicle.
Cut out devices are designed to protect a battery from being totally drained.
Actually 11.2 volts (1.89 volts per cell) equals about 10% remaining capacity and is still too low for long battery life.

11.6 volts (30% capacity) is as low as a deep cycle battery should be taken and then only occasionally.

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Follow Up By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:58

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:58
The manufacturer's batteries are in both cars... Both are good.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:49

Wednesday, Dec 02, 2009 at 08:49
Most Voltage-Capacity Tables show 11.8 volts is Fully Discharged.

That's the problem with these tables - they are so unreliable because of so many variables.
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 02, 2009 at 20:44

Wednesday, Dec 02, 2009 at 20:44
This one doesn't and is the one I use for reference.

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Reply By: kcandco - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:01

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 08:01
Hi
I had one inserted just before my fridge which is in the tailgate with power coming from the aux battery at the front of the vehicle. On 2 occasions I have flattened the battery due to excessive current drain and on both occasions the cut out device was useless. It was a $20 job. I found the fridge tries to start then waits a few seconds and tries again.

What we need is a device where we can set the cutoff voltage to meet our particular needs.

regards Kc
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Follow Up By: Wok - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:43

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:43
I have using this....cutout voltage is adjusted to suit my loads...one fixed in the truck & a portable unit [Anderson in/out for external use.
Oatley Device
There used to be a seller on flea-bay who supplied built + potted units.

eng hoe
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 11:59

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 11:59
Yes, that Oatley device is a good one - draws virtually no current, as it has a bi-stable relay, which also can take about 80A. I recall that the hysteresis is about 0.6v, which would stop the clicking in and out; ie, it won't restore a cutout till the battery is being charged again.
It is primarily sold as a dual-battery isolator. Just a minor mod to make it a low-voltage cutout, adjustable from about 10v to 11.7v, tho this could be modified again to raise the cutout voltage.
You just need to be electrically savvy to put one together, as it comes as a kit, tho the instructions are pretty good. And you need to put it in a suitable box.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:40

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:40
I have had a "Projecta" one in the circuit to my Engel for 10 years and it has worked well on the few occasions I have let the fridge run so long that the battery has been flattened.

IMHO the problem here is a misunderstanding about the intention of the device .

An older Engel does not have low voltage cutout and would keep trying to work even under the minimum needed for the compressor to work AFAIR 10.5 volts.
A few occasions of that would kill any battery .

So the intention of these devices is to protect the battery from total discharge not to allow starting.

Mine must be doing something right as my AGM has lasted over 5 years, although I am quite anal about usually not letting it get much under 12 volts.

Regards Philip A
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Reply By: LeahSA - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:59

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 09:59
Hello, we just picked up our new van and the dealer said that there is an anderson plug connection that goes in the car that not only charges the caravan batteries when driving, but can charge the car battery from the caravan batteries if the car battery is flat (ie work in reverse). Does anyone know of these and if they work?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:02

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:02
I think you need to start a new topic for this one.
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Reply By: DIO - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:15

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 10:15
Have a look at this LINK let me know if they are any good. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:04

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:04
11.3 volt cutoff - see coments above.

Not much use unless you have really high wiring resistance.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 12:47

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 12:47
It's impossible to design a Cutout that will stop at xx% remaining battery capacity that is -
- cheap
- works with a big range of batteries
- works with varying voltage drop in different cable-length/size.
- independant of battery temperature

The problem is that voltage drop varies with the current being drawn by the load, type and size of the battery and temperature.

The best you can hope for is a Cutout without adjustable voltage trip which you set for your particular situation, based on trial and error. I built my own based on the Oatley kit mentioned above.

EVERYONE keeps forgetting the voltage vs stae-of-charge tables are meaningless except when the battery has had no charge or discharge for several hours.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:01

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 13:01
This is why fridges have adjustable cutouts - it's not just for selecting different levels of charge remaining.
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 14:00

Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 14:00
hi
i had one that was'nt cutting out until 10.5 volts that i bought and had in the shed for 3yrs before i actually got around to using it

so coud'nt take it back it was only a cheapy
think i got it at a show event somewhere so ditched it and bought one from supercheap and it's ok
there's cut-outs and there's cut-outs
it's buyer beware as usual
cheers
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Tuesday, Dec 01, 2009 at 18:06
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