New blue tick phone

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 21:39
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Just wondering if anyone has an idea of the best mobile phone for use in country Western Australia.The ones with the blue tick are meant to be the best so after one of these i guess.

Regards Graeme.
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Reply By: OREJAP - Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:55

Thursday, Dec 03, 2009 at 23:55
Got given a phone by Telstra when I went on the $20 plan. It's a 165i & the saleslady at Telstra told me although it's Chinese made it is the best phone for reception in Australia. It's a large phone 15cm X 6.5 cm wide with a little pull up aerial. I have used it in spots other phones have no signal. Ask at your Telstra shop.
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Follow Up By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 21:23

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 21:23
Agree with orejap the telstra 165i phone is a good phone, if your in rural areas and the next g network has coverage this phone works even when your on the fringe of the network.Couple it with an external antena and it's even better as it has an antena jack for direct antena connection, not a patch lead type. Only drawback is 5 hrs to charge but you do this at night. Had no problems with phone even though its chinese made.
Have a few farming mates and they all use them

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Reply By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 01:35

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 01:35
I have a Nokia 6210 i think it is. Blue tick, has GPS and all the other goods. Free with Next G $89/month plan. Only thing is my battery life seems very short.
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Follow Up By: psproule - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 05:17

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 05:17
Turn off Bluetooth if you dont need it. That chews battery life.
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Follow Up By: wildbill05 - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:05

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:05
Thanks for the tip - was wondering why my battery life was so short.
Will see how long I get now - Bill
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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 16:01

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 16:01
Sorry i meant the Nokia 6720.
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Reply By: Member - Carl and Pamela - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:39

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 07:39
Hi Graeme,

Phones have 3 types of antenna, A.B.C.

B antenna is for the country and the ones with the bllue tick. They are supposed to give greater range than A. The wizzy phones likeBlackberry and Iphone all have A antennas. These are mainly for the cities because "grey nomads" and not supposed to be able to work these. They are for Yuppies.

I have a B phone (some cheap telstra thing) and my wife a blackberry. They seem to have the same coverage and sometimes the blackberry is better. So I cannot see a great dealof difference. But..

Blackberry and Iphone do not have "patch leads" available.These patch leads allow you to link your phone to a fixed antenna on the bull bar. We use the same antenna as the CB just swap leads. This does give greater range at little extra cost.

I hope that after readingthis others with much great knowledge than me will add other things.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:28

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:28
You can get a patch lead for the Iphone but it's the induction type. Sort of a half hearted lead that sticks to the back of the phone, not into a socket.

Probably better than nothing but not by much.

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Follow Up By: Phil and Sue - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:38

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:38
Carl

May I suggest you get the proper external antenna for the phone. Technically the impedance of the antenna will not match your phone and its like jamming a square block in a round hole. Push hard enough and it may work. You are making that poor little think push a lot of #### uphill. When the CB was installed did anyone mention anything about "matching" or "tuning" the antenna. That CB antenna if its installed and maintained properly is set up for the CB frequencies. Not the phone frequencies.

The correct antenna will do an even better job.

Eventually your phone will quit on you if you continue.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:04

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:04
In the days of CDMA, I bought a patch lead and 850MHz antenna for my Nokia 2112, and it made absolutely no difference to the indicated signal level. But some people are reasonably happy with them; obviously I bought the wrong brand patch coupler for my Nokia.
I currently have a Samsung A411 (blue tick, but now superseded) and it has a proper antenna jack in the back. This definitely works significantly better with my external antenna. And the antenna lead to match is cheap.
So I'm not a fan of the patch couplers. My preference is for a phone with a proper antenna connecter at the back.
Gerry

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Follow Up By: Phil and Sue - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:24

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:24
What is a "patch coupler"?

Whilst I have worked on radios for many years I have never heard this term. Terms like this seem to pop up everywhere these days.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Phil and Sue - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:54

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:54
I think I have figured out what a patch coupler is. I wish they would use the correct terms. Its an inductive antenna adaptor.

Therefore if my guess is correct then my earlier comments still stand. Any impedance missmatch along the whole antenna system will be reflected right back into the internal antenna on the phone and the final transmit circuitry.

Why not get the correct gear for the job. Beats me. And don't claim the cost. We spend heaps on winches, bull bars, snorkles, tyres, fridges, campers, tentage, diff locks, computers and GPS and can't find some for one of the most important safety devices. Communications for when you are in a pickle.

Hmmmm???

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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 14:01

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 14:01
Hi Phil,
Yes, technically you're right about it being an inductive antenna adaptor. Being a "patch" which sits on the back of the phone, it's a term been often used by laymen, so I used it here.
As far as getting the correct gear for the job, I agree, that's why I chose a Samsung, but with Nokia phones, very few come with an antenna connector, so the inductive bastardry must be used with mixed results. The mismatch can be quite bad, but virtually all (low power) transmitter output stages these days will take a 100% mismatch without damaging the output stage - they just run a bit hotter.
Gerry

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Follow Up By: Phil and Sue - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 14:16

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 14:16
The missmatch may not damage the phone but it can be, in the worst case, akin to putting a short circuit on the antenna or even like trying without even the antenna in the phone. I got carried away mentioning the missmatch instead of talking about the effect that a badly missmatched gizmo can have.

I guess that I am lucky because I don't have to worry about the lack of phone coverage. I have access to the full HF spectrum and lots of my fello hams have phone patch capabilities. Cost = local call. I can also relay at home. Did so a few years back for one of my sons friends who went to the Antarctic. His family and friends would either come here or phone me and I would patch them through. Cost = local phone call. Time - limited by the ionosphere and my need to go to bed.

I don't use a mobile phone. No need. Thats why I am not familiar with these terms. Hadn't the faintest idea what "blue tooth" meant for a while. I though it had something to do with stain on the teeth. Twit. "Fire wire" - isn't that an explosive cord or something. I have to chuckle sometimes. You se I don't care about "keeping up". So pretentious and false.

But I do have a chuckle every now and then when I find out its not a blue stain after all!!!.

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Reply By: JR - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:17

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 08:17
Nokia E51, same performance as 6120 but with better battery life
Doesnt have camera on keypad side so video calls arent really on - but who uses them anyway?
6120 is very good value now though

Force make a car cradle for them both which has inductive aerial pickup (which are usually pretty crook) but these are very good, signal loss similar to wired aerial connection and no plugs to wear out etc

DONT go with the ZTE (chinese, Telstra branded phones) we have tried 3 or four models with same results - all returned and arguments followed.

Dont get too concerned with Blue tick stuff.
JR
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Reply By: ChrisE - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:45

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 12:45
I have upgraded about 6 months ago from a LG TU550 to a Sony Erickson w705a, both blue ticked and on Telstra 3G.
So far Sony seems just as good on reception, and so far never had anyone with better reception, especially in dodgy reception areas.
Everything I read on phones when I got the LG said it had the best reception, but it lacked battery time but it had an external aerial connection, Sony so far is great on both reception and battery time, but doesn't have external aerial.

Check out the whirlpool forums, heaps of phone info. there.
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Reply By: KennyBWilson - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 13:22

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 13:22
I am a city yuppie that owns an iphone, but when I get out of town I use a cheap $99 Telstra T6 prepaid phone.
I also brought 4.5bd laser antenna and a patch lead which plugs into the back of the T6 phone
I have found the external antenna does work better , but also I wouldn't bother bolting it o the bullbar
You want the base of the antenna as high as possible to get better reception.
Gutter mount or roof rack is the best place to mount it
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Reply By: olcoolone - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 19:15

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 19:15
I would have a look at the new Nokia 6720 Next g phone.

External antenna connection, cradle and blue tooth phone kit available and a very very very long battery life.

And very good audio.

This is the phone we are looking at going to for the people who work for us.

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Follow Up By: Gronk - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 23:08

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 23:08
Looking at the Telstra website, it appears that none of the phones now have provision for an external aerial to plug into them ??

Think I may have to keep the LG550 a bit longer
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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 16:06

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 16:06
I have the 6720and the battery life is pathetic. Sometimes not even a two days. Telstra guy said he wont be recommending them to any more people because of there poor battery life and apparent problems. Hope mine lasts the distance.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 20:16

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 20:16
olcoolone, where is the external antenna. I can't find any reference to it on Nokia or Telstra's websites.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 21:12

Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 21:12
I have an Iphone with a Carcomm cradle which hooks up to my Multifrequency RFI aerial.

Seems to work quite good but think the Nokia 6120 I previously had was a bit better on the same aerial.

Got a 32gig Iphone free so why not use it.

Just ring my son when I need to know something about it ROFL


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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 23:28

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 23:28
Telstra seem to have a fundmental problem (can't get them cheap enough probably) with Nokia phones and don't give them the credit they deserve.

I know prople who live in rural finge areas and they claim with the inductive / passive connection to an external aerial the Nokia Next G phones leave the Telstra country brick (165) which I have for dead.

The Blue tick is only given for phones with direct aerial connection, Telstra told me this. Being along side with people with these Nokia's they do have superior stand alone handset reception than the 165s.
The main thing is thougth to have an external aerial which will give you about an extra 30km in flat country.
I can't fault my Chinese ZTE 165 county brick though for reliability and toughness, but they are more expensive than more sophisticated Nokia's on a Plan.

Really depends on where you are going and it becomes a bit academic when you are more than 50km from the nearest tower?
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Reply By: Holden4th - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 19:29

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 19:29
Every year I take a group of our students to Winton and back from the Gold Coast. As the 'medic' on the trip I have to have communication. The first trip I did we had a bit of an emergency in Winton which required me to ring a parent to ensure that the next step I was going to take would be the right one. We had 12 adults along, all with various phones. Mine didn't work and neither did ten of the eleven remaining.

What did work was the remaining phone, a very simple and inexpensive Samsung A411. I subsequently bought this phone for $99.

I'm not sure that the 411 is available anymore but it appears to have a successor, the C5220 and it is discussed in this thread

http://www.exploroz.com/Forum/Topic/73630/Samsung_C5220_-_replacement_for_A411.aspx?ky=&p=%2FForum%2FDefault.aspx%3Fpn%3D1

I haven't tried it. If you can get hold of a 411 then go for it. The only issue is that you have to be connected to Telstra.
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