Alloy wheel corrosion

Submitted: Friday, Dec 04, 2009 at 21:55
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Hi all.. my Discovery 3 with 65000 km on the clock has corrosion on all 4 road wheels. My dealer, Australs in Brisbane put in claim with LRA and they knocked it back saying that the car had not been washed enough and it was caused by brake dust. The car is washed every second Saturday at the Hand Wash Cafe in brisbane along with my wife's Z4 BMW. The BMW is 2 years older than the Disco and has no corrosion on the wheels.

Anyhow, I rang customer care and told them that the car was washed every second week.. they rang back and now have knocked back the claim because the corrosion is caused by "external" matters.

So.. i haven't even driven the bloody thing on the beach. Anybody else had this problem?

Land Rover's attitude means that this is the last car they will ever sell me. They are simply running away from a problem that is caused by poor paint quality on the OEM wheels.

When it comes out of lease, I won't be replacing it.

I don't want this to turn into a Disco/Tojo/Nissan war.. but I would be interested if any owners of Tojo/Patrol have experienced a similar problem and how they were treated by their dealer/manufacturer etc.



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mark taylor
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Reply By: Matt(WA) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 01:37

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 01:37
Buggered if I know Tubby,

Wash my cars myself. Never had a drama with alloy corrosion on the mags.

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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 06:35

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 06:35
If you guys had daylight saving like the rest of the civilised world it wouldn't have happened.

Crikey, its daylight at 0400. Its a wonder the whole car hasn't corroded.

OASN is it just an appearance thing? Or does it affect the integrity of the wheel?

You can get the wheels redone at a 'wheel factory' ie turned and painted, for very little $.

It sounds like a minor issue to me, and it may be that you will cycle between manufacturers as each one's attitude fails to meet your expectations. Or is this just the straw the broke the camels back?
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Reply By: Tim - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 08:50

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 08:50
My work vehicles have this problem too and we have identified the source as being the mag wheel cleaner. Basically, if you spray the wheel cleaner on and let it sit for a few minutes too many it starts to eat into the alloy. As to why it happens to the disco and not ur other car, maybe a differant mixture in the alloy?
The vehicles I have seen it happen on are SS commodores and XR6T's.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:03

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:03
Tim I'm glad you mentioned this!!, I had the same prob with a set of imported Monoray mag rims on a subaru. Had only washed them for years then decided to use a mag wheel cleaner, within six mths they were completeley pitted.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:20

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:20
Mark, do you have a dog living next door who roams? (:o))



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Reply By: Shaker - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:26

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:26
If you wash your vehicle at a car wash, be careful of the wheel cleaner chemicals, particularly if they get on your paint. I was talking to a car wash owner in a bayside suburb & they get a lot of boats through the wash bays, guess where the salt goes? Yep, into the water on to the next vehicles!

To be honest, I can understand the manufacturers stance.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:34

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 09:34
Most mags have a clear coat on them and thats what goes milky NOT the alloy
Can get it removed and resprayed

I just bought a van that had been sitting for a few months and a couple of its wheels have small patches of this.


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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 13:22

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 13:22
hi graham
you should take it back for warranty you bought it in geraldton next time around aus or trade it back in to them???? lol
every coastal town on the west coast has a salt spray problem it blows inland upto 2km's in the winter months with strong storms your wheel corrosion will be oldman salt
good on your fish-n-chips but a bugger on everything else
cheers
ps have you x-sed the nulla yet
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 14:22

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 14:22
Yeah might wrap it round his ears if I ever get back there.

We in Ceduna got 5.1 kpl from Eucla to here with a b****y side wind all the way.

Scuffed the outside edge of one back tyre and the inner edge of the other with holding car into the wind since Esperance.

Wheel is normally straight and was between 1 and 2 oclock on one day.

LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 15:22

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 15:22
hi graham
you did well
sorry forgot to tell you that you could have hired a sidewind deflector at norseman/eucla or/and ceduna it's a reciprocal scheme both ways -lol- ha! ha!enjoy the break and the fish-n-chips in ceduna
cheers barry
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 15:26

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 15:26
Got one of those and its 25ft long ROFL


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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 19:09

Saturday, Dec 05, 2009 at 19:09
OK guys.. here is more info from me re the Disco wheels. The wheels have patches of corrosion.. they look like patches of black spots.. as though you have washed the wheels and missed patches of blake brake dust.

The patches are increasing in size.. it seems that the paint on the wheel or the painting of the wheel is inferior. In other words there is not enough "thickness" in the pain coating.

By comparison the 2 year older BMW has no signs of corrosion at all.. the wheels look like they did the day we took delivery of the car.

I guess I will get the wheels treated and repainted at my expense.. LRA don't give a toss about this issue. I have tried ringing them direct... but you cannot get past some teenager at a call centre. You can't get to talk to the decision makers.

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Mark Taylor

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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:13

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:13
G/Day Mark! sorry to hear of your dilema, ....But as a Landrover owner i think i can say this!!..You are starting to experience LRAs. mentality.


Cheers Axle
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:25

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 19:25
Yes Axel... so far they have been good.. but this is their "line in the sand"

I am guessing that they might have a few of these and so are going to deny any claims.

The car is great, the dealer is great... LRA just plain suck!

Cheers

Mark T
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Follow Up By: Damian007 - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 21:02

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 21:02
I was gonna post a reply, something along the lines of "Whats the big deal" but then I realised it would be a waste of energy"
I hope you never, Ever get a scratch on the paintwork of your LandRover POS.

I do however have a hint on how you can get rid of the corrosion and make your wheels look like new again but it might involve a little bit of labour on your behalf. You could hire someone if you feel a job like this is too beneath your talents.
Get some AutoSol Mag/Alloy Wheel Polish. Get a Couple of Polishing Rags. Then you Get down on your Hands and Knees. Apply Polish to One Polishing Rag. Here's the really important part. You Then Apply The Polishing Rag With The Polish Applied To The Alloy Wheel and Start Rubbing. We Call It "Polishing".
The Wheel may get a little black, but after it dries, you can then rub the dried black stuff off with the Second Clean Polishing Rag You have.

That's what I do to my Wheels on My BMW 760il and my Pajero Exceed without trying to claim warranty.

P.S. Don't use Spary On MAG/Alloy Wheel cleaner on Alloy Wheels. It contains Acid. Some contains Hydrochloric and it can do a good job if you know how to use it right. Most people leave it on too long and it will pit the alloy.
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 21:36

Sunday, Dec 06, 2009 at 21:36
Your sarcasm aside... the wheels are painted.. not polished. The pitting is into the surface of the wheel. I use alloy polish on the alloy wheels on my motorbike... but they are polished alloy... not on the painted wheels on the LR POS as you call it.

Thanks for your comments... I think.


Mark T

P.S. had a Paj... more warranty claims with it than any other car I've owned in he past 40 years.. including the LR POS!

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Follow Up By: Damian007 - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 09:26

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 09:26
If you had a Pajero and had more Warranty Claims than any other cars you've owned, then I rest my case. The Pajero would have to be one of the most reliable vehicles on the road. Land Rovers would have to be one of the most unreliable. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Why anyone would buy a Land Rover is beyond me. The amount of Land Rovers I've had through my workshop is Unbelievable, Each to their own though, I suppose..

I will have a look at the Land Rover wheels and get back to you. Try the polish anyway. What have you got to lose? Truth be known, if the wheels are painted, they can't corrode, Can they?



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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 11:21

Monday, Dec 07, 2009 at 11:21
"Truth be known, if the wheels are painted, they can't corrode, Can they?"

Sounds good in theory.. I guess cars that are painted won't rust either? it's simply oxidisation.. a chemical reaction with the air.

Mark T

P.S. I guess by your tone that you don't like Land Rovers. I'll be sure never to bring it to your shop!
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Reply By: G.T. - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:27

Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 13:27
Just a thought, would it be possible to take L/R to the Small Claims Tribunal?
Regards G.T.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 22:03

Tuesday, Dec 08, 2009 at 22:03
That was my thought about Marks problem also G.T.

Its a pain but worth trying.

Mark I have seen that issue on ford falcon wheels and it really is just to thin a covering, making it not suitable for reasonable use and hence you are entitled to compensation unless LRA can prove things like salt corrision or excessive machine polishing , or unless that excessive stone hits broke thru the surface layer.


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