New motor for the Patrol

One would think that seeing as they still have ties to Renault ( 3ltr grenade ) then the new engine may be sourced from the same place.....
Maybe a bigger grenade ???

"Maybe a bigger grenade ???"

Maybe instead of the 3.0L 4 cyl they'll have a 6.0L V8 (ie. two ZD30's next to each other!)?! More BANG for your buck!

3.0Di engine is supplied BY Nissan TO Renault under thier technology sharing agreement.

OT

Signman, Nissan owners have me believe very recently that there is no such thing as a grenade. The ZD30 is a very reliable and reputable motor ok, nothing ever goes wrong with them. So can we now go back and delete the 100 000 posts about these grenades and the various reasons and excuses why they blow. Because apparently its just a figment of our imagination.

Thanks just needed to clear that up with everyone.

Have a look here 2010 Patrol

Extracted from above.
The car will reportedly be stepping up its game to compete with the Toyota Land Cruiser, which includes offering a petrol V8 engine as well as a 3.0L V6 diesel engine, developed jointly with Renault. The 3.0L longitudinally-mounted diesel engine is expected to have around 265hp and 405lb.-ft of torque

John

I had a look around on Google but couldnt really find anything to answer my question.

I thought the forum was for asking questions in relation to 4wding, fishing, boating ect??

3.0l motor with 265hp! Sounds like its going to be a screamer. Dont really like the look of the new patrol either.

Too much like a 200 series

Cheers

Even a search on this site brings up this 2010 Patrol Forum Results

Google came up with the first result I posted plus about a thousand more hits.

No worries John

I spose because i heard it was a 6.5l thats what i was writing in and it was just coming up with crap.

Cheers

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Relaibilty has no link to Mean Effective Pressure pressure of an engine.

MEP is basically output/size and is not dependant on engine speed.

It does if material composition and physical tolerances aren't matched.

I believe there is still such a thing as a stressed engine, i.e. higher compression , higher boost pressures etc etc and this is my point. My other point in this case was the history of the Nissan 3.0 Litre diesel engine etc. With this new motor the V6 design lends itself to more power and torque typically.

There won't be an I-6, it will be a 4.8L V8. It certainly won't be the old 6.5L V8 diesel from GM, which has been out of production for over a decade. Sucks like a Dyson, and performs like a dead dog, and would not meet any emissions standards in any country today. And I doubt it will be the LML Duramax 6.6L V8 with the Allison auto transmission, partly because the powertrain would have some trouble fitting. Though 300kw/1000Nm in a Patrol would be good fun.

And where is this 4.8l V8? Nissan do not have a VH48, they have/had 4.1, 4.5, and two racing varaint 3.5 and 3.7s.

The original poster said brunswicks bout the 6.5, the 6.5l Optimiser is still in production by AM General btw. There are also plenty of countries it meets emmission laws in too, ones that have yet to adopt Euro IV. With a cat it actually meets Euro III, same as the TD42Ti and 1HD-FTE.

If Nissan were to widen the chassis rail and move the spring towers outwards then the LMM Duramax could fit. Cooling and the Allison may present greater challenges. Cummins options were rumoured for many years as well. I personally couldnt see the point of a 300kw/1000Nm patrol as too many idiots will baby them around fuel mising and then wonder why the engine expires through a build up of soot.

Patrol4x4 has done this to death and then some..

PatrolBen,

You say that the part bins special is much like to 200 was put together..??? Say what??

The LC200, if that is what you are referring to, was not a parts bin special in any way. It was a completely new vehicle almost from ground up and especially the diesel, which was used for the first time by Toyota in the LC200..., in fact, it is used exclusively for that vehicle so far. So the front suspension is pretty much the same as the Tundra..big deal, it is all Toyota.

Your comments sound like a based (and disillusioned) Nissan man.

And from my perspective, I can't for the love of me understand why Nissan didn't simply rebadge the Armada and put that out in the market as the Patrol..oh but, it has 4 wheel independent suspension but even then, it would be a far better seller in Oz than the GU Patrol. 90%++ of the purchasers wouldn't know the difference anyway and so Nissan Australia is falling behind big time in the sales race to please a few archaic diehards.

Your V8 D4D is a pair of european corolla diesels, go research the toyota 2AD-FHV (last time I checked 2 x 2231cc = 4462cc, whats the 'new' 4.5 D4Ds capacity?).

Your 'new' V8 had to be derated because toyota didnt have a transmission capable of handling thier combined torque and the only one they could find was the Aisin. The Aisin 6-speed transmission was one of the very first non toyota inhouse transmission used by Mr T. Hows that 6th gear going?

Your front end is from a Tundra.

And Toyota had to buy a local suspension company to get KDSS.


A bIased and dissolussioned Nissan owner, nope, I read up on things.

Parts bin manufacturing (or its corporate "multi use format" term) is becoming very very common.

@PatrolBen, no Nissan does not have a 4.8L V8.. and it also doesn't have a new Patrol (yet in both cases), but the next gen Patrol WILL have a new 4.8L V8
http://blogs.insideline.com/straightline/2008/12/spy-shots-of-2010-nissan-patrol.html
http://www.autodealer.ae/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3323
http://www.vicky.in/international/2008/12/18/2010-nissan-patrol-spy-pictures/
http://carbl.com/2008/12/17/2010-nissan-patrol.html

I think the point is made now. BTW LMM Duramax will end production soon and be replaced by the LML. It's not going in the Patrol and neither is old piece of crap 6.5. GM is not going to produce a large old engine that does not mean US EPA 2010 emissions - which is much tougher to meet than Euro IV and Euro V. I don't know why the Military Humvees haven't changed engines yet. Even the LMM Duramax will not meet EPA 2010. LML will through Urea.

I think the US version will also include the 5.6L V8 - the LandCruiser 200 has a 5.7, so it makes sense. There is already talk of an Infiniti QX56 replacement, that is based on the new Patrol.

don't know what happened to those links, just have to copy the URL and paste. Sorry.

PatrolBen,

Oh silly me, of course you can simply get two 4 cylinder diesels and just bolt them together at a 90 or 60 deg angle and whammo, you have a V8 diesel...!!! You obviously do a lot of reading..., mostly between the lines. Hey, I have an idea, since you are that clever and obviously a Patrol man, why not get two 3l diesels and bolt them together for a 6l diesel..?? Easy isn't it?? Then you wouldn't have a grenade, something more like a Cruise Missile...!!!

And so what if the suspension is Tundra, its still Toyota and it makes sense as it is more robust than the LC100 setup.

As for gearboxes, nearly every marque on the planet uses a third party shifter again, makes sense.

If the LC200is a parts bin special, then every vehicle on the road is.. And by the way, I have no problem at all with my 6 speed auto. Drops into 6th at 95kmh when not towing and overall is a very smooth and pleasant auto to use.

PatrolBen,

Just for fun, I thought I would check your figures.

The D4 D Corolla engine,,,actually for the bigger Avensis, not used in Corolla which gets a 1.6l D4 D, is

2231cc, 86mm bore x 96mm stroke
110kw @ 3600rpm
340Nm @ 2000-2800rpm

Seriously good figures and it is a relatively new diesel.

LC200 V8 TTD D4D

4664cc, 94mm bore x 84mm stroke
195kw @ 3400rpm
650Nm @ 1600-26000rpm

Nothing like the 2.2 D4D engine above so that puts that debate to rest...

Go have a look at toyota.com.au LC200s spec brochure, always is a good look to quote the petrol V8s figures.

As listed the 1VD-FTV is 4461cc, with an 86 bore x 96mm stroke.

You cant have enven read your own reply otherwise you would be easily able to see that it would be somewhat misleading to have a 4664cc '4.5l' V8.

Oops,

Must have been looking at the petrol...ah well nice try.

But it doesn't alter the premise that you can't make a V8 by bolting two 4's together...it is a completely new design and all kinds of dynamics come into play. It does make sense to have common pistons, con rods etc if that was their aim.

Toyota is replacing the 4.7L V8 with a more powerful 4.6L V8.

Chin up, it's all in good fun and it is the internet after all- there's no point getting upset at a computer screen!