Air filters - ruptured filter element

Submitted: Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 15:06
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During a trip in the outback, Land Rover Disco TD5, we had an air filter element fail resulting in engine dusting and serious engine damage. Air filter element was the standard pleated paper type.

We hit a small section of "bull dust" The air intake is under the LHS front wheel. I believe vehicle ingested a very heavy load of dust causing the filter to fail.

Has anyone else had a similar experience ??

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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:06

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:06
OUCH !!

Have you ever wondered why so many 4x4 have a snorkel fitted? It's not only for going through creeks. Dusty conditions, exactly what you describe, is why the snorkel intake is up out of the way getting the freshest of air.

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Reply By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:54

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 16:54
"The air intake is under the LHS front wheel."

Beggars belief !!?

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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 17:05

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 17:05
Did a dealer put the filter in when servicing?, maybe you could go them for not installing correctly.

It think you mean on top of the LHS front wheel not under eh..
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 17:16

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 17:16
Pajero has pick up in a similar place.
Front of radiator with duct feeding the RHS mudguard, then another duct to the filter.
Used to pick up a lot of dust in fine and bulldust conditions.
Coats the air filter over 5 mm thick, but have not had a filter failure, just very clogged. Had to change the filter every day or so.

How often were you checking the filter and tapping it out?

I was doing mine daily or more often in really bad conditions, and carried a 2nd filter to swap them over if I had to.

Now have a snorkel and the filter stays pretty clean.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:09

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:09
Nearly all Pajero models have Cyclonic Prefilter as standard to remove the bulk of the solids. Some petrol models didn't.

If you don't clean it, the dirt will pass through to the filter.
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Reply By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 18:45

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 18:45
Some vehicles are only designed to run on sealed roads
A couple of feet of water and the diesel hydraulics.
I have pulled numerous vehicles out of flood waters on the lower Mataura river,
petrol not a major problem , a bit of a dry out and a spray of CRC, have had to pull the plugs and give a tow along the road to get the water out of the cylinders, suggest when you get to town change the oils.
It has always amazed me the people that think a diesel is bomb proof, then point out where the idiot designers fitted the air intake.
Most petrol's keep going until moisture gets into the electrical system, even if they hydraulic the pressure is not high enough to cause major damage, not so with a diesel motor.
My old petrol FJ 45 would keep going as long as the air cleaner was out of the water and the electronics were free of dust and liberally sprayed with CRC.
One occasion got a call on the CB, a bus was in trouble down the river. got organised drove down, turned where I could, hooked a 45 seater bus on the strop and towed it up to home, we fed and entertained and bedded the tourists for the night, sure extended the shearers quarters.
the bus driver was amazed that I could drive down there in a petrol vehicle and rescue a diesel bus that was much higher until I pointed out where the bus air intake was.
The company that owned the bus had a lot of empty promises, but we still get the odd card from some of the passengers.
The most important thing to do in water that depth is get the doors open, wedge a heel or something to keep the doors open. Much better to get a wet butt than find you are floating down dsream
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Follow Up By: Member - Russnic [NZ] - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 18:51

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 18:51
Now can you remind me as to what was the 4WD the year some where.
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 19:38

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 19:38
An air cleaner element will not fail or colllapse due to
being overloaded with dust. The only time i have seen this is
from very old elements where the paper has become brittle or
has been damaged.
Usually an engine gets dusted due to the element being incorrectly
fitted or an air leak in the intake hose between the air cleaner and
turbo/intake manifold. This has been my experience of being a
diesel fitter for the last 30 years.

Chris
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Follow Up By: Simon C - Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 21:10

Friday, Dec 11, 2009 at 21:10
Got to agree here....in 23 years in the earthmoving game....the only dusted engines were from incorrectly fitted air cleaners, or air intake joints not sealed/clamped properly. Unless mistreated.....air cleanners do not NORMALLY fail like this. I would be looking at who serviced it last, or cleaned the filter last.....
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 18:52

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 18:52
You wouldn't be the bloke who I met at Charnley Station on the GRR would you?

That person had started his GRR trip in Victoria in a TD5 with a dirty filter then.

At Charnley he was tapping it out but it was "stuffed" then. I cannot believe what some people expect of filters.

The TD5 Panel filter is a pretty big one , but they can only take so many bashings before they give up.

I have found the Finer Filter socks for the snorkle are great on my RRC . still on my original barrel paper filter after Plenty, Tanami, GRR, Pilbara, Kulumbaru road etc.
But you have to clean them.

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