Towing with chains

Submitted: Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 18:44
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A while back someone was asking about drag chains (transport chains) and there towing capability.

Well here is a couple of photo's of chains that weren't rated for the job.

I hope Doug T wasn't escort and responsible for the load. LOL

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Reply By: racinrob - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 19:53

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 19:53
Having driven low-loaders transporting heavy plant I can tell you steel on steel is tricky at the best of times, even loading/unloading can be fun, seen many operators put machines over the side and into situations like the first picture.
In the above case obviously the tie-down chains were too light, yep, it's easy to be wise after the event.

Rob.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:39

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:39
Rob,

Yep!!! steel on steel is bloody hard, what I couldn't understand is the 5t drag chains. Guess they weren't moving it too far and said she'll be right.

Glad I don't own the float
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Reply By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:39

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:39
I would never tow just using chains. Any chains.

Why. When any slack is taken up the shock will go right through your car. Who knows what damage that will do. The greatly increased "shock" multiplies the load on the chain and could snap a chain very easily. As shown above it appears that one or more broke when the load shifted and took up any slack.

If you do not any choice then chains together something which will absorb the shock may do in a pinch. Such as using a bridle or a short non elasticised rope.
The safest tow of course is with a rigid a frame or rigid bar. Next safest would be with a winch extension strap. Followed by a good quality non elastic rope or strap such as a winch extension strap. Maybe a snatch strap.

Watch the droop. Too much elasticity could allow the strap to easily droop enough to go under a front wheel. thus it may pull the wheel suddenly to one side with a sudden severe swerve. Whoops Upside down etc etc.

In all cases the towed driver must be cognisant of the extra need to "think ahead" and be aware at all times what's ahead down the road, careful braking procedure and the need to keep some tension (not too much) on the connection. Slow and stead and only to the minimum as required. Good distinct communication and hazard lights are a must and limit towing to the absolute minimum. Try not to do it at night.

Only one person should be in the towed vehicle so that they can concentrate solely on the job. Definitely no music DVD or distractions from appassengers asking "Are we there yet". Thoat is of course idea but I think you understand my aim.

How did I do Rob? I

ts been 39 years since I did the course and have only towed once in all those years. having the tilt trailer and trays helped.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:54

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 20:54
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Follow Up By: racinrob - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:04

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:04
Quote, "I would never tow just using chains. Any chains." agree with that Phil.

If you've ever seen what a winch cable can do when it breaks under strain double that for chain.

What is surprising is that you can chain a load down as tight as you can using chain dogs or binders , go a couple of Ks and they're all loose, tighten up again, a couple of Ks further again, by the time you get to your destination your load has settled down, that's a maybe lol.


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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:12

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:12
Hell I would Rob,
it is not the chains that are slacking off, it is the load that is moving.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:13

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:13
I was told the "shock" of snapping tight can be ten times the weight of the lightest vehicle. Whether it is or not I always took care. How many have seen the cartoons of just this. Motor, bull bar and the rest of the front end happily sailing up the street with the driver, mum and the kids sitting there with their mouths open. Kinda says it all.

The chains all stretch. All metals are pliable in some way. You can bend a mild steel 3/8 rod in your hands. They toughen as they go up in tensile strength. But the bottom line that they bend and distort under load remains. Isn't this why they loosen. And why we stop and check them out. The old bouncing bar test hey!!!

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:23

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:23
Mate,
if it has got to the point of the chains stretching, heaven help us all. Yes chains stretch.

They only stretch if they are used way above their rated load.

We are not talking about long link non rated chains here. We are talking about grade 70 transport chains.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:59

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:59
Agreed. But even the minutest bit of flex multiplies itself over the length of the chan and if the heat within the chain understress adds a bit then they can come just a smidgin slack enough for the load to jerk them. This will only get worse over time. All this is exactly why we have to repeatedly check them.

I never had to carry anything big like the load above.

The biggest was load was a centurion and I was the offsider for that job. At least we could utilise the tanks suspension to put a good load on the chains and assist to keep them tight. Didn't move between Pucka and Moorebank.

The best part was driving it off and having to turn it around. Seems I got a bit carried awya and spent a week peeling potatoes in the mess. But it was worth it.

And I am not even Irish.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 06:12

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 06:12
Rockape
Funniest thing I ever seen was the time I got bogged with a load of grain on, at Werribee ,Vic, the farmer had 2 grey Fergies, hooked them up together , the silly buggers had no idea, the front tractor driver didn't wait for the slack to take up between the truck and the No2 tractor, what happened next would have won 1st prize on funniest Home Video, the bolts holding the back wheels and gearbox to the enginge sheered and the bloody old fergie broke in 2 , as the gearbox section dropped to the ground the driver was thrown forward and tripped over the engine section , anyhow they had no chance of moving the truck, it took 2 recovery trucks from Melbourne to extract it.

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Reply By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:13

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:13
Looks like a backyard operation to me. Definitely not what you would expect to see at a mine site. Surely any turkey watching would have picked up on the fact that those chains were not adequate. We quite often deal with 20t anchors off the oil rigs and even they are strapped down and with bigger chains then that, and never ever metal on metal.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:20

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:20
Hey Kroozer.

My son is on one of those rigs drilling geothermal holes in SA. KNow anything about them?

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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 22:54

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 22:54
Nah sorry Phil, dont really know anything about them. The rigs we deal with are really just oil and gas exploration rigs, not in production yet. The West Atlas rig was one of them. Rather amazing and interesting industry, your son will learn alot out there. Best of luck to him, not everybodys cup of tea thats for sure.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 00:57

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 00:57
"Looks like a backyard operation to me."
Hahahahahah......... Rotflmao....
Sorry ...my fault...I was just moving my sons little Komatsu to my neigbbours sand pit!
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 07:18

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 07:18
Oh to have a back yard big enough for them toys
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Reply By: Rockape - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:26

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 21:26
Kroozer,
They must have one hell of a back yard. LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 02:27

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 02:27
Yeah, just seems odd why they would try move the machine like that, instead of dismantling it. If it wasnt going far then why not just drive the machine? I bet the trailer wasnt even up to the job. Dangerous also with wet,slippery roads. Prime mover would have been ''scratching for traction''.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:37

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:37
Rockape
Yeh ...it's probably all that area between Alice Springs and the WA Border and South to Coober Pedy.

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Reply By: vk1dx - Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 22:28

Saturday, Dec 12, 2009 at 22:28
A bit OT but if you are interested and ever get the chance to have a look at the towing winch facility on a ship - Do it. I had an excellent tour of one of our destroyers and the towing setup on it. I don't have the correct names for the bits so you navy types please let me be.

It humungeous. Ropes (hawsers I think) as big as your arm. The winch driums are taller than me. The chains they use - I couldnt lift more than one link. Huge springs and shock absorbers hold it all down and absorb the hugs shocks they must endure. The mind boggles. Not one hand winch or Warn winch to be seen.

Just imagine what its like on sea going tugs. Wow.

I tried to find a photo but couldn't.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 02:36

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 02:36
You should check out the winchs and gear aboard the Rig supply vessels. Commonly known as Rig tenders or Anchor handlers. We spool the winches every so often, some winchs take around 25t of cable. They usually have one large winch and 3 or 4 smaller winchs. And then 2 10t tugger winchs for moving things on deck and lashing cargo. They use the large spool to tow the rigs and the smaller winchs to lay the anchors and tension them to align the rig in correct position. Crazy stuff
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:58

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:58
Winch on Tug MV Wyong at Darwin Harbour

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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:48

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 05:48
That's not a Chain

This is a chain..

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Someone mentioned a breaking chain being like a Cable, yes we all know how a cable can whip back, but from my experiences chains don't whip back like a cable when they break,

To the bloke who mentioned steel on Steel, yes the bloody sheeps foot roller is a bugger of a machine to run up the ramps.

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 09:40

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 09:40
Doug,
Be warned, I'm ringing the RSPCA about you chaining Dusty up out in the hot sun.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:54

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:54
Doug!, The smooth drum roller in the pouring rain, makes for some interesting times i can tell ya!!.


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Reply By: vk1dx - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:52

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 08:52
This has been an excellent thread to read and be part of.

But me with only two years experience "playing" with this area of "big" toys I bow in deference to you lot.

Merry Christmas

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Follow Up By: racinrob - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:04

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:04
Yep, been a good thread and I wish you all a Merry Christmas too ! Is it just me or do you think people become more affable this time of the year ?

Phil, I'm ex 1 Fd Sqn RAE, Cpl Plant Operator.

Not arguing with what people say but I have seen chains whip back their full length when they break under tension eg a 'dozer pull starting another 'dozer.

Rob.



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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:19

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:19
Thought your job was a bit close to what I did at 1Fd Sqn.

Nice to meet you.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:20

Sunday, Dec 13, 2009 at 12:20
Too quick with the button. I was attached to 7 Fd Sqn. Not 1 Fd Sqn

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