solar power

Hi I am interested in finding out about solar power and other campers experiences with solar power first of all I drive D4D auto Prado 2009 I am towing a Jayco Expanda 14-2 model number 2009 model, which weighs 1200 kg,, I have a dual battery system in the car, I also have a battery in the van, the van has a trickle charge system fitted to it, wich means every time I hook up to mains power it charges the battery, when I had the dual battery in the car I had them arrange to run the trickle charge in van through the trailer plug. I also carry a 10i honda generator, I feel I can run a reasonable time on this setup, but I am wanting to find out if a solar system can set me up to stand alone with power for an unlimited time, can it also run an airconditioner.My plan is to be on the road for ten years, I would be greatly interested in all your ideas and pros and cons, Cheers uptotenyearsroundoz
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Reply By: guzzi - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:15

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 08:15
Can it run an aircon? short answer NO.
With solar you need to work out what your power requirements are and then purchase a suitable number of panels and batteries to cover that requirement.
You also need to factor in temperature and location.
Also be aware you will rarely if ever get the full rated capacity out of any panel in the real world.
For example an 80 W panel will in all probability put out somewhere around 58 W due to temperature and location etc.
Collyn Rivers has some very informative books out on solar and there is another solar book available from Jaycar as well.
Do your home work before you buy.

Cheers
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Reply By: Moose - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:24

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:24
There's also an article on solar power when you first log in here.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:33

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:33
You say "I am wanting to find out if a solar system can set me up to stand alone with power for an unlimited time, can it *also* run an airconditioner"

With-out the aircon you would have no hassles unless you also had a washing machine, which I imagen you also do have too.

Basically you need a huge battery bank to supply the power required and the gennie/solar system to replace the energy used, so you need to know what power you will be using.

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:35

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:35
Mervyn

Check out the Solar Power Calculators here and play with the watts and amps of the items in your van - It will tell you how big a battery and how many solar panels you require - If you want to run an Aircon with Solar
you'll need around $10,000 worth of panels !!

Rgds

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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:58

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 10:58
Mervyn,

As already said - NO to running an air conditioner. Not only will you need lots of solar panels, but a truck to carry the batteries!

Also, as already said, you need to do an energy inventory to see just where your electrical energy is going. This, and lots of other considerations , is discussed in our blog Electricity for Camping. Suggest have a look.

We carry 145 watts of solar panels, 200 Ah of battery storage, and - provided the sun shines most days, - these meet all of our (fairly frugal) requirements for extended trips. (The last trip was 4 months.) Many more details on the blog.

HTH

John

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Reply By: Marty-VIC - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:07

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:07
If you have an inverter air con easy to run from solar power, 560w panels, 500w sine wave inverter and 150ah battery. Inverter air con runs up to 2/3 power at 400w.
Washing machine 5kg powers from inverter at 350w
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:56

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:56
That's a big call.

Can you please provide the Brand and specs of an aircon unit that only draws 400 watts. I'd suggest an aircon that only draws 400 watts would be lucky to cool a phone box or dunny. Even if it exists that equates to about 33 amps at 12 volts which would totally knacker (that is to say, destroy) your 150 amp hour battery in less than five hours.

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Follow Up By: Marty-VIC - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:28

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:28
Any brand name inverter split system that outputs 2.5kw to 3.0kw of cooling will not take more than 800w. 6 star rated. Our inverter air con is Mitsubishi 2.65kw at 400w is 2/3 cooling capacity. Dont power the aircon off the battery. Power the aircon from the solar panels and use the battery as a buffer. Can power the air con down to 112w and when starts to draw the battery down as the sun goes down the inverter air con is automatically switched off. Keeps the van at 23c on low power as van is well insulated and double glazed. Can start the air con at 10am when the batteries are fully charged. Have 2 150ah batteries one is reserved for fridge. Many vans now use inverter split systems can be powered by Honda or Yamaha 1000 generator. No need for 2000 or 2400 gennies. Inverter split systems are quiet and work. Would never have a horrid noisy roof air con again.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:01

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:01
Thanks Marty,

You've got my interest. I was not aware of aircon units that could be "powered down". Whilst I do know that inverter aircons are very efficient (we've got one at home) I'm still struggling with the idea that 112 watts could have any effective cooling power.

But I'm prepared to listen and learn.

Cheers,

Jim.



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Follow Up By: Marty-VIC - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:04

Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:04
112w is 1/6 of full power and when the van is cool will maintain the temp. My friends LG will go down to 86w on low power. Inverter air cons are completely different to standard air con units. Many vans and mh now using inverter air cons from solar panels. You need to experience how good they are to believe it.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:04

Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 00:04
Hi Mervyn

I can only tell you what worked for us. I'll leave the technicalities for those here who know all about it. When we got an old wind-up camper (sort of like a Jayco Dove) we bought a 12 v compressor upright caravan fridge, purchased 1 deep cycle battery (with trickle charge from vehicle also), a controller and one 80 w solar panel. The panel was only put out when we stopped and it gave us enough power for the fridge and a couple of lights - no water pumps; it was manual. This gave us enough power, although we were travelling in mainly fine weather. We now have that panel on the roof of the tow vehicle to run the car Engel.

The caravan we purchased had 4 x 120 w solar panels and 3 x 100 a/h batteries. We did not know until we got to the Kimberley last year that two were from a faulty batch and were not working. With only the two, we had enough power for our needs even in Tasmania in prior years, but we are not high power users. In the northern latitudes and heat, solar panels are not as effective, and batteries do not take a charge as well either. This lead us to discovering the problem and getting sent four new 130 w panels under warranty. We then purchased 4 x 110 a/h to store some of the power produced by this powerhouse.

Except in northern latitudes, even in cloudy weather or when parked in partial shade, our batteries are up to full charge during the morning. We travelled for five months this year, and had plenty of power for our needs; fridge, Engel as a freezer, lights, water pumps, inverter for computer, battery chargers (phones, cameras etc), electric shaver etc. We also have a 12 v fan for running at night if hot and still. We purchased a Honda 2 genny mainly for the air con although use of this on the genny has been rare it has been very welcome when really needed. We only did this on the first holiday with the van four years ago. This year we only ran the air con from mains when at caravan parks (maybe two or three times). Rather than run the genny and air con, we were cool enough sitting out in the shade on a hot day. We usually bush camp. We could use the genny to run a battery charger if necessary and remain independent if weather conditions left our power low - it hasn't happened.

Do you anticipate being in hotter areas in mid summer? If not, you shouldn't really need the air con.

I would suggest to be solar powered long term you need at least three panels and batteries. I don't know if you would have room for this in an Expanda. However with the genny to top up the batteries in times of need, you could manage on less.

You could of course upgrade the genny to one that will run the air con if you think you will really need it.

Room and weight may be issues for you with your rig.

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