Patrol Factory Weight
Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:01
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Member - Troll 81 (QLD)
Gday
I went and did the weighbridge experiment this afternoon and boy what a shock. She weighed in at 2620kg that only leaves me with 340kg to play with. I had no gear, no fuel, no people, no spare and cargo barrier was out along with the third row seats. Does anyone know what they weigh when they come out of the factory? I don’t think I have added that much onto it….slightly larger tyres, bulbar, roof rack and that’s about it for large items.
Reason for all this is we are doing a Fraser trip next year in Feb and we are hiring a trailer and I am just trying to work out all the numbers.
What to do?
Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:16
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:16
Cant remember about my Patrol but the Toyota handbook lists a kerb weight for the Cruiser.
The Toyotas are Tared with 10 litres of fuel in them.
An ARB roofrack weighs approx 41kg for a start and a steel bullbar about 60kg
What about your drawers anything in them If you have them of course
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:19
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:19
no drawers or anything fancy unfortunately
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Follow Up By: Skippy In The GU - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 23:54
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 23:54
Hi Graham, do you have a half length ARB roof rack, My full length ARB rack was 66kgs
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:08
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:08
Did have a full I said approx Its 3 years since i saw the light. See my pic
LOL
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:29
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:29
I think you'll find the tare weight is about 2400kg....making a total of 600kg payload!!!
Add a family of 5 (like ours....about 250kg) and before you even fill the tanks up you've only got about 350kg to play with....including the ball-weight of any trailer you might be towing.
In my case, my converted dual cab Patrol with 6.5 litres of Chev V8 diesel under the bonnet and a substantial steel canopy etc, is always 90% loaded and ready for the next trip. It tips the scales @ about 3500kg before wife and kids plus clothing is all loaded on. Camper trailer adds another 100 odd kilos to the rear end (ball weight), so I just hope that my brake upgrades etc together with my sedate driving style, will equall a safe package.
I have 2 x long-range tanks, steel bullbar, fridge, total of 3 batteries, tools, 2 jacks etc etc......it all adds up. I've tried to cull the weight as much as possible without compromising off-roading requirements, but there is only so much you can do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:16
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:16
Jeez they don't leave you much to play with if it's 2400kg
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Follow Up By: chisel - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:43
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:43
600-odd kg is pretty standard in a big wagon. Both 100 and 200 series cruisers are similar ... a little more in the 100 depending on model.
As has been discussed many times on exploroz, I'm sure many vehicles are over GVM when not even loaded for a trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:47
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:47
Chisel,
I think you are 100% correct in that most 4x4 are a fair whack over...I have always suspected I am over and I have now confirmed
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:16
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:16
Hey Troll,
I can vouch for Roachies weight,
When we left
St George we had to fill in his wheel tracks, And it hadn't rained out that way for 6 months or more LOL
If you put any more gear on the old girl Roachie, you will have to put a second axle under her rear end like you said may have to. :)
Weight in a 4by is deceiving, pays to be on the side of caution.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:31
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 21:31
Thanks for pointing that out Hairs!!! hahaha
I like to leave my mark wherever I go across this vast country....hahaha
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:26
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:26
Two adults and 3 kids 250kg ? lol.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:28
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:28
250kg was a bit of a guess. I am 95kg buck naked, so about 100kg let's say. Kids are all boys and defonitely have my genes (ie: they little tackers); about 50kg to 35kg each; say 100kg all up between 'em.....Maybe I've been a bit generous about my wife's weight....hahahaha....I want to stay married.
Roachie
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:03
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:03
Have to know which model Troll , I have lots of brochures and they began in 2300kg range in 1998 moving to 2470 in some late TI's
My 2002 4800 is 2500kg ready to roll .
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:12
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:12
Hey Robin,
It's a 98 GU 4.5
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:08
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:08
98 4.5 GU is 2384kg manual and 2344 in Auto Troll
(My 2500kg ready to roll weight above is the car set up for 1000km range with 180lt of fuel)
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Reply By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:00
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:00
Hey Troll,
Have a look at your list of accessories and add the weight of each item, you will get a shock on what it adds up to. My GU weights 3.4t full of fuel but no people or
camping gear.
Cheers Dave..
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:13
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:13
Dave,
I hear you deep down I am just struggling to come to terms with it. I want to do the right thing and stay within the limits just in-case of a accident. It's a bit weird I never used to care so much and I always knew I was over but now that I am Dad my priorities have changed.
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Follow Up By: chisel - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:17
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 17:17
Consider an alloy bullbar and aluminium roof rack for starters. Not as strong but maybe strong enough for your needs. Could save you about 60-80kg
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:21
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:21
Pity few more with unstoppable missiles didnt do the same.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member Dick (Int) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:33
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:33
Troll 81
Why not look at getting the GVM increased. Several company's produce ready engineered kits for Toyota's, so I am sure someone has one for the Patrol.
I increased my Troopy GVM to 3,700kg with a kit from TJM.
Dick
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Follow Up By: Member Dick (Int) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:50
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 18:50
While on the subject of added weight, these are the larger items I have added on the Troopy.
TJM Type 13 Steel Bar 40kg
Ox Hyd Winch 35kg
Black Widow Drawers (Deep) 95kg
TJM Steel Roof Rack 80kg
Kaymar Rear Bar with Dual Wheels 110kg
Long Range Aux Tank (Less Fuel) 25kg
Those are my estimated weights, maybe someone has more accurate weights.
Dick
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Reply By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:23
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:23
Hi Troll, interesting thread. I read your comment "I want to do the right thing". I felt the same as you. I've elected to keep alloy bullbar, not have a dual wheel carrier etc. I used to run a roof rack/basket - that would put me above manufacturer's roof load limit without trying too hard. So I bought a camper. Personally I can't see another solution if you're tryng to do "the right thing". And not wanting to start another debate on the subject, for those against trailers on 4wd tracks, then overloaded and possibly high centre of gravity vehicles is so often the only alternative. So I think it's a case of "name your poison".
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:17
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:17
I am going to do the ring around today and see what my options are with getting the GVM upgraded and what costs are involved will let you know what I find
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Reply By: Member - Tezza Qld - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:25
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:25
Hi
Weighed my GU leaf sprung trayback last week and it tared 2760 kgs with the fuel tanks empty. Add about 150kg for the 170 liters of diesel and we are about 2910kg Increased the GVM from 3400kg to 3700gs, so with the slide-on weighing 600 kgs, basically loaded, we will Just keep legal. Bearing in mind when EVERTHING is loaded we are generally in the bush, and heading for an ungazetted road or track and the weight decreases about 40 kg per day.
My main concern was on the bitumen in between ,should anthing untoward happen, but then on any public road if you are overloaded there is no excuse in the eyes of the law.
We will only be carrying minium supplies of water and fuel untill we reach the bush.
Cheers Teza
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:18
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:18
Tezza,
How did you go about getting the GVM increased, Every thing I have read says it's just about imposable unless it's done new before it's first rego.
Cheers Dave...
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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 07:32
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 07:32
Hi Dave.
I had allready had a
suspension upgrade done through ARB As they had fitted thier 600kg kit it was only a matter of them filling in the correct paperwork.They gave me a sticker for the firewll stating the new gvm was 3700kgs and I had to go to QLD Transport and complete a change of details form . I had wanted to go to 3900 kgs for the gvm but this can only be done with the correct wheels and tyres and prior to the first rego.
Cheers Teza
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Follow Up By: Member - Tezza Qld - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:21
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 08:21
Dave
Just another thought. I am not even sure if you can upgrade the GVM on a non commercial vehicle. I remember reading somewhere that leaf springs are also mandatory as the load needs to be spread over the larger area not offered by coils. Don't quote me on the above but worth checking out.
Cheers Teza
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Reply By: Rockape - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:28
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:28
Been hearing a rumour that the DMT are going to be taking a look at vans, tow vehicles and 4wd's.
I don't know how true it is, whether it is the whole of Aussie or just one state.
If it is true, we better get out our cheque books and find somewhere to unload the excess weight.
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:19
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 09:19
I read that on here while I was researching this topic...so might just be true
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:05
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:05
NSW RTA have been doing random checks for years especially in holiday season.
They usually concentrate on those towing, rear
bike carriers, roofracks etc. Pacific hwy is a favourite. We've been checked at the big rest area/truck
parking area west of
Broken Hill near the border twice over the years.
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Reply By: splits - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:31
Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 22:31
Troll
The last time I looked at the Nissan web site, the carrying capacities of all model Patrols were listed as about 550 kg up to the high 600s depending on the model. Patrols and Cruisers may look like tanks but they are just family station wagons designed to carry a couple of adults plus two or three kids and a little luggage while towing a fair size caravan, boat or double horse float.
They do an excellent job in that role but you will very quickly take them over the limit if you try to squeeze in everything a family needs for an extended off road trip. You are far better off in regards to safety, reliability and legalities if you keep them under the limit and carry your excess gear in a trailer that is also
well within the maximum towing capacity.
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Reply By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:20
Thursday, Dec 17, 2009 at 13:20
the way small items add up can certainly catch you out.
just weighed a std LC80 series mag with brand new 265/75/16 tyre ie std for vehicle
and a std 8" gxl steel rim fitted with a 285/75/16 tyre just under 1/2 tread
amazing difference 32 Kg v 44 Kg
with 5 wheels the upgrade is 60 Kg then add an 2nd spare and you have increased tare weight by over 100kg.
cheers
Howard
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