Part time 4WD kit for HDJ80R

Submitted: Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:17
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Hi everyone, have just purchased a 97 model landcruiser, that is a full time 4WD. Am thinking about converting it to a part time 4WD. I know the process is more involved than whacking on a set of free wheeling hubs, I know they have to make some mods to the transfer case etc. Just want to know peoples thoughts who have previously done this mod, are you happy with it, any down sides or risks. Is it a job that can be done at home. Thanks.
Regards, Peter.
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Reply By: vk1dx - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:48
We have a latter model 100 series and I can understand that if ours was full time 4WD we would bind up and destroy the transfer case every time we did a U-turn on bitumen or concrete. It is evident very quickly if we forget and try a U-turn or turn sharply. Only forgot one time and wont do it again.

We have a control inside that gives you 4WD or 2WD in high range. You don't have a choice in low range its 4WD only.

Are you sure its full time 4WD?
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Follow Up By: Member - Rob S (NSW) - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:06

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:06
All 80 and 100Series GXL'S have full time 4wd.
they have a centre Diff to stop axle wind up.
The centre Diff is locked buy a Button on the dash for H range 4wd off road.
and will lock automatically when put into low range.
vehicles with out the diff lock button will have a viscous coupling this will lock when traction is lost in High 4wd.

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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:43

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 17:43
Your better knowledge is appreciated. Thought it may be something along that line. Sorry do not know enough to help. Mainly asked out of curiosity. There a lot of missunderstanding of what is actually $WD and what isnt. But that is not the topic.

Thats why I asked the question at the end. Thanks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 21:31

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 21:31
The Patrol is only 2 wd unless you lock the front hubs but the only way to

stop a 100 ser is disconnect the front driveshaft or put free wheeling hubs on it

The difference is the Cruisers centre diff which the Nissan doesnt have
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 00:28

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 00:28
"All 80 and 100Series GXL'S have full time 4wd."

not quite true given some refer to 105's as "100 series" also.. 105 series GXL's are part time.
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Reply By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:50

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 15:50
Hi Pete,
I converted mine not long ago, to me it was worth it, the main reason was so that I could fit a Lokka diff lock to the front diff.
You do get bit better ecconomy although it would probably take a while to pay for for the kit.
Most of the arguments against fittinging the kit is that you will load up the rear diff more, not sharing the load and less on-road traction giving a higher risk of loss of control. But there are a lot of Standard cruisers around with no one complaining of these problems.

I am a diesel fitter but in my opinion, yes, you can do this at home quite easily if you are slightly mechanical minded. I did mine in the driveway in a few hours.

Chris
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Follow Up By: Member - Robert G (WA) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 19:29

Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 19:29
Hi Chris,
good info there. I am thinking of doing this mod to my IFS LC100 as I have done some mods and when turning on near full lock and accelerating heavily (like turning across traffic on a busy road) one of the front wheels sometimes lets loose and I am worried I am gonna blow the diff. I have toned my driving down but I can't help myself now and then and I need full power for overtaking so jamming something under the accelrator isn't any good.

If this conversion is done and you were to blow a front diff, could you just disengage 4wd and the hubs and limp home like that?

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I have been warned about the handling but as you say there are plenty of LC100's out there that aren't full time 4wd and they go fine. So.... have you noticed any side effects to the general on road handling since doing this conversion?

Thanks

Rob G
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Follow Up By: Member - Chris & Debbie (QLD) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 22:08

Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 22:08
Hi Rob
Yes, if you were to blow the front diff or CV, it is just a matter of disengaging the hubs and 4wd, of cause you will still be able to use low range.

I have not noticed any difference in handling on sealed roads, you will notice it on unsealed roads if you are pushing it as the front tends to understeer, in my opinion though, 4wd is only good for cornering if you accelerate around a corner as you can make the situation worse if you have to back off part way through a corner.
For me it was a worthwhile conversion, mainly due to wanting to fit a front Lokka and cut down on ware and tear in the front end.

Chris
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Reply By: Member - Fourplayfull - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 16:14

Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 16:14
Yes, I am at your stage Pete, checking into the pros & cons etc. Have found very favourable reports on another forum, an action mag that comes out monthly.

Over the years I have replaced several c/v's due to wear but the last two had destroyed the centre of the c/v. As these units will be stationary when 4WD not selected it would save the excess wear & tear.

On yours you may need to fit a centre diff lock switch (details on LCOOL site) which is great for extra traction in high range.

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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 23:04

Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 23:04
G'day Peter,

I had mine done a few years ago before an extended trip. I decided to do it at the time because there was other work to be done, so the cost was offset a bit.

It is probably better on fuel, but frankly if that was the reason you were doing it you would have to drive a million miles to get any return. It probably saves wear and tear, but I would put that in the same basket as fuel, long time before you saw a return.

As Robert said, the sealed road handling is no different and steering a little lighter (in a good way) and maybe a bit more responsive if anything. Of course you now have to hop out of the car to engage the hubs, but that is not a biggy; this is why we have children.

The downside as I see it is gravel roads. The vehicle is not as sure footed as the full time 4WD. Of course you can still engage 4WD and the surer manners return, but it is a bit annoying if you are on one of those roads which goes from tar to gravel and back again. Can leave the hubs engaged of course but slowing down each time to engage/disengage 4WD a bit of a pain.

So on balance I would say that if you were looking at part-time 4WD for the sake of wear and fuel consumption, don't bother. But if you want to fit a Lokka as Chris does, or need other work done at the same time, then no real disadvantages either.

At the end of the day you have a vehicle that is still every bit as capable, just a few more processes to get there.

Cheers,

Matt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:58

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 07:58
Peter,

Other slight advantage of course is that with the part-time 4WD set up you can engage low range 2WD. Handy if you regularly reverse a van/camper up steep driveways, etc. But there is also a relatively simple conversion you can do to disable the centre diff lock when in low range.

Matt.
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