Overcharging batteries?

I have 5 auxiliary batteries all charged from 15 amp smart chargers. 2 of the batteries, both lead acid and over 80ah, have gunk forming on the positive terminals. This gunk seems to be eating the terminals away and causes bad connections. Does anybody know what causes this?
Thanks for any help, Geoff
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:11

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:11
Hi Geoff

It is acid weeping around the post.

You could use battery post seals if they are the round type but you will need to replace the weeping batteries at some stage, best to do it sooner than later otherwise you will need to replace cable and lugs too.


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Derek from ABR
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Reply By: Wilk0 - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:18

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:18
Hi Geoff,

Is the gunk a whitish blue powder. Not sure why it occurs (I believe its alkaline) but pour coke on it (It will disolve it)
Then once you dry it, Spray it with terminal protectant spray (mines a blue colour). Spraying with WD40 might help stop it too.

Cheers wilko
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:43

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:43
It's better to put sodium bicarbonate (bi-carb soda - baking powder) as the battery post build-up is acidic (sulphuric acid derivatives) and the bicarbonate will neutralise it. While coke may wash the build-up away, coke is also acidic (phosphoric acid) and it will not neutralise the build-up and it may start to eat into any paintwork when you wash it away. Unfortunately spraying it with WD40 just disguises the white powder buildup, but it is still acidic and reactive. Once the battery posts start weeping, you can try to seal them (battery post spray, grease, felt washers etc... around the post) but it is usually a losing battle.

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Captain
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:05

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:05
Yep, neutralise with bicarb mix.
Clean with hot water. Wipe away any reside around the posts base to stop voltage across the top of the batt.
Clean up post with wire brush to remove the corroded bits.
Apply vaseline, or grease, or spray grease to base of post, altho corrosion will occur from just the gases escaping from the top vent caps, or side caps vent, and it may not be the base of the post leaking.

Keep batts clean, topped up with water, and charge.

T

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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:59

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:59
Have you picked the batteries up using one of those carry straps that attach to the terminal posts ?

similar to this one ?

If so, throw the thing in the bin... right now..

The amount of strain they put on the terminal posts (especially on the larger batteries), the likelihood of 'cracking' the termonal post seal is more of a probability than a possibility, hence the 'gassing' in this area...

Since I stopped using those things (several years ago), I have had no further issues with the 'gunk' forming on battery terminals....

In the meantime, a generous smear of vaseline 'round the base of the posts (after cleaning) may help to miniise the 'gassing' round that area...

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Reply By: Member - Alan John C (WA) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:34

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:34
Geoff just check that all your batteries are the same type ie wet or calcium if you have them mixed what will happen is that some will charge faster than others and cause them to boil I found out the hard way.

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Reply By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 16:43

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 16:43
Geoff
As Derek has said its acid leaking due to the post seal been fractured. This is usually caused then the battery is first fitted and the terminals are tapped or bashed on and then done up. You should always open the terminal up and slide it on and then tighten it which prevents this from happening.

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Reply By: trackker - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 17:14

Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 17:14
Hi Geoff

If you are charging your wet cells batts seperately and they are not much bigger than 80amp/hr, I would be carefull of overcharging which may cause overheating and stresses the seal between the post and housing as it all expands at different rates. This lets a bit of acid out and causes problems.

A battery can only accept so much charge and discharge amps. Even with a smart charger you can still get into problems. Charger manufacturers dont seem to want to put all the info out there as to what size battery that particular charger will charge. I know some will give you say a 50 to 200amp/hr range.

How do they know what discharge rate a battery manufacturer uses to get the size of your battery. Some batteries are rated at 100amp/hrs at say a C10 rating. These batteries are twice as big as a 200amp/hr battery that may be rated at a different rate. So 15amps may be just a bit too much, too quick.

My very rough rule of thumb is about 10% of your C10 rating should be your max charge or discharge. EG 80amp/hr, 8amps. Its worth looking into and your battery manufacturer should be able to help. I must say when you batt is flat it will happily accept bulk amps but when it starts gassing is when you need to slow it down. Smart chargers are not that smart to work out what size your batt is rated at. They can come close though at times.

Also continually discharging a battery too low for too long will cause positive post growth and the expansion or growth will cause the same problem. Once you see that growth, its all down hill from there. Prob not what you wont to hear. Good luck, Trackker
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