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Hi i have 2 80w solar panels if i connect them in parallel for 12v willi have 160watts with this configuration thanks jfoggy
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:49

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:49
Yep

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Reply By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:50

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:50
Yes. In my experience you never get the full rated power from the panels, but you will get the best you can. Trust you have a good controller so the batteries are not overcharged.

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Follow Up By: Member - Alastair D (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:51

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:51
Ed beat me to it.

Hi Ed I remember our chats at Warraweena. Hope to get up your way soon.

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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:07

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:07
G'day Alastair,
Season's Greetings to You and Yours :)

Give us a buzz when/if you head this way, it'll be good to catch up....

BTW, an MPPT controller will deliver up tp 97-98% of a panel's rated output (ya need to get with the times;-)), and they _not_ (as intimated elsewhere) overly expensive.. There are some expensive ones of course, some not so expensive, and some errm, 'cheap' ones, something to suit every budget;-))

Mine is one of the 'not so expensive' ones ;-)

Catch ya later.. Ed C

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Reply By: greybeard - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:53

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:53
short answer, yes.
little bit longer answer :)
power ( watts ) = Voltage ( Volts ) * Current ( Amps ).
with two 80W 12V panels
in parallel you'd have 80+80 = 160watts = 12V * 13 1/3 amps
or in series you'd have 80 + 80 = 160 watts = 24V * 6 2/3 amps ( half the current and twice the voltage ).

general rule is parallel ( same voltage of course ) current = sum of individual panel current and power = sum of individual panel power.
for series ( same current panel ) voltage = sum of individual panel voltage and power = sum of individual panel power.
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Follow Up By: macy - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:45

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:45
Greybeard
"in parallel you'd have 80+80 = 160watts = 12V * 13 1/3 amps "
Is this 13 1/3 amps per hour?
cheers Mac
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:46

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:46
In theory only. Solar panels only deliver their maximum power into an 18 volt load.

They're constant-current devices, so expect to get 4.5 amps from an 80 watt panel.
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Follow Up By: greybeard - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 13:01

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 13:01
macy: if you can get 13 1/3 amps out of a solar panel for a period of one hour then yes, it will be 13 1/3 amphours. if you only get it for two hours it is 26 2/3 amphours.
amps and amphours are two different beasts. one is a measure of current flow ( amps ) and the other is the amount of current flow for a period of time ( amphours ). hence the difference in units.

Mike R: i was explaining the answer to the question that was asked. if you like i can do the same for you with an 18V 80W solar panel or any other combination. Please don't turn a simple electrical question into the physics of how a solar panel works. the fact that the voltage on a solar panel for maximum power transfer varies with the incidence, panel design and various other factors and is typically anywhere from ~17-19V is a lot more detail than required to answer the question asked. a solar panel is almost like a constant current device except for the bit that isn't.
If you like we can start a new thread on the physics of solar panel design, or a thread on typical solar 'rules of thumb'.
My comments for the relationship between power, voltage and current in series and parallel stand regardless of the device providing the power.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 14:25

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 14:25
Well I was sure he'd be more interested in knowng how much current he'd get into his batteries, rather than a theoretical lesson on electrical calculations.
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Follow Up By: greybeard - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:43

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:43
my apologies, i wanted to answer the question that was asked with a little theory. sort like teaching someone how to fish rather than serving up a plate of chips ;)
i'll try and avoid future electrical questions.
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Follow Up By: macy - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:54

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 16:54
Greybeard
Thanks for your awnser it was exactly what I wanted to know.
Cheers Mac
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 14:06

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 14:06
Jfoggy,

I'll run the risk of being broadsided from both directions!

Two 80W panels will NOMINALLY deliver 160W. By connecting them in parallel you'll double the CURRENT output, keeping the same voltage output - just what you need for charging a 12V battery. Important to have a controller to disconnect the panels from the battery once it is fully charged.

Mike's comment about current is absolutely valid. The manufacturers obviously rate their panels as high as possible. In fact the maximum power output occurs at about 17-18 volts. We cannot apply more than about 14 volts to a battery when charging. The 80W specified for each panel (watts = volts x amps) occurs at say 18V so we can calculate the maximum amps as 80/18 = about 4.5 amps as Mike says. If we can only use a maximum of 14 volts then, the maximum power delivered to the battery is 14 x 4.5 = 63 watts.

(I don't want to confuse the issue by talking about MPPT controllers, which use switchmode technology to improve this figure a bit at considerable expense. Almost all rigs I've seen use simple controllers and users simply accept that the useful power is significantly less than manufacturer's rating.)

Your two 80W panels connected in parallel and fed through a controller to the battery should deliver up to about 9 amps. This is very similar to our own setup. Recommend placing the controller at the battery rather than at the panels, so that any losses in the cable occur before, not after, the controller.

You may be interested to explore some more detail in our blog Electricity for Camping

HTH

John


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Follow Up By: Silkwood - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 18:42

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 18:42
John, as stated above, an MPPT controller can deliver UP TO 97% efficiency. Do you know (or anyone else) if this applies to all MPPT controllers? I'm wondering why some cost a few hundred dollars, and others over $1000?

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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 18:49

Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 18:49
Some of the cheaper ones are fairly basic in what they show you - eg
3 LED lights to show SOC , Charging and Load on/off ..

The more expensive ones will have an LCD screen to show current in and out voltage from panel SOC voltage of battery and some also log that information for you over a given period - Also the more expensive ones will give efficiency of 97% plus where the cheaper ones now will give about 90% ..

Rgds

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Follow Up By: jfoggy - Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 08:45

Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 08:45
Hi John and everybody thanks for that info very helpful i also have two more 80watt panels which i am going to connect in series as i have two more 120 ah batteries which feed a 160 ltr waeco 12/24v fridge. I think it should be better on the 24v as i have them in a Toyota Coaster and i use the 24v system as the power when mobile once again thanks and a merry xmas to everybody John Fogerty
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:00

Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 09:00
Hey John - Are Creedence Clearwater going to tour ? LOL

Happy travels

Rgds

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